Will Iowa Football Ever Loose It's Mojo?

DuffMan

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I've often heard that Iowa football is one of those teams that is just one bad hire away from being the 1960's and 70's version of the Hawkeyes, as opposed to the Hawkeyes from 1980 to current.

The points supporting that argument are valid, Iowa City is not a destination for most, we are a cold weather state, Iowa has a relatively small population, and we cant rely on instate recruits to field a winning team.

That's all very true, but what is also true is that we aren't the 1990 Hawkeyes or even the 2000 Hawkeyes anymore. A small blip around the Fry-Ferentz transition not withstanding, we have been a consistently winning and nationally relevant program for over 30 years now. That's a LONG time. How long is it? It's long enough for a kid who grew up watching the Hawks play in big bowl games in the early 80's to have their own kids who are growing up watching the Hawks play in big bowl games. That's two generations of success; it takes a while for people to forget about that.

In additions to 3 decades of success we also have other things working for us. We are part of the BEST collegiate athletic conference in the nation. Am I biased when I say that? Yes, but I’m also correct. No other conference in America has been able to do for their schools what the B10 conference has done for Iowa and the now 11 other schools who round out the conference. They pioneered the B10 network which makes its entire product readily available to sports fans in nearly 1/3 of the country and they have TV deals in place with ESPN/ABC to put their elite games in front of the whole nation. With those TV deals comes big money, and it is money that Iowa has smartly re-invested directly back in the product. Iowa used the TV money, along with abundant private donation, to refurbish historic Kinnick stadium and turn it into a place that caters to both Coors Light swigging proles as well scotch sipping big wigs. They built a new state of the art weight room and training facilities in the mid-late 90’s and are rolling out a new state of the art practice facility in the next few years.

All of those things put Iowa on pretty safe ground program wise, and barring unforeseen disaster (hey there fOSU) I think it will take more than bad hire to change the course of the Iowa Football program
 
I think success begets success. Fry built a program at Iowa, and guys on his team and old staff have moved on to relative success, to say the least. While we can't say Ferentz's assistants will all move on to win NCGs or anything, it isn't hard to imagine that there will be some who'll shine. Take Bielema for example. Yeah, we may not like the guy, but he is an example of a former player/assistant who's done a decent job at his current spot. Likewise, perhaps we'll see other former players take up coaching and do well.

That said, Iowa is a program that is currently built on taking relatively unheralded recruits and developing them into NFL draft level players. But if Ferentz were to leave, and take most of his coaches with him, and if we were to hire a coach and staff who were unable to recruit or develop, Iowa would struggle. And just like success begets success, in football, failure tends to beget failure. A few bad seasons, and you have a perfect storm, really.
 
I think success begets success. Fry built a program at Iowa, and guys on his team and old staff have moved on to relative success, to say the least. While we can't say Ferentz's assistants will all move on to win NCGs or anything, it isn't hard to imagine that there will be some who'll shine. Take Bielema for example. Yeah, we may not like the guy, but he is an example of a former player/assistant who's done a decent job at his current spot. Likewise, perhaps we'll see other former players take up coaching and do well.

That said, Iowa is a program that is currently built on taking relatively unheralded recruits and developing them into NFL draft level players. But if Ferentz were to leave, and take most of his coaches with him, and if we were to hire a coach and staff who were unable to recruit or develop, Iowa would struggle. And just like success begets success, in football, failure tends to beget failure. A few bad seasons, and you have a perfect storm, really.

I think this gets overplayed somewhat. Yes every year our team features some players that are unhearladed and even a walkon or two, but the vast majority of players on our two deeps are hightly recruited players.
 
Every team is a bad hire away from a big drop off. Look at Notre Dame and Michigan. You have to have good coaching especially at Iowa and we have great coaching. Eventually the Hawks will have to hire a new head coach. Hopefully not for a long time.
 
Every team is a bad hire away from a big drop off. Look at Notre Dame and Michigan. You have to have good coaching especially at Iowa and we have great coaching. Eventually the Hawks will have to hire a new head coach. Hopefully not for a long time.

I agree. Nebby is another team to look at when Calahan was in charge. Iowa lives and dies by coaching, talent analysis, and recruiting kids other schools toss to the side. I think we have built up enough cred over the years that if Kirk were to leave or retire we should be able to get a coach that has a known name however just because you get a name brand coach doesn't mean they will bring success.
 
Nebraska is a great example. They made one bad hiring decision, but when they decided to change course they had no trouble finding a list of quality applicants willing to take that job. They made a good hire the second time around and they are right back to being what they were.

I think Iowa is in that same spot. Even with a few loosing seaons Iowa has a TON to offer an incomming coach. Great TV exposure, great stadium, great facilities, great tradition.

Iowa basketball made two bad hires (or one medicore one and one bad one) and they lost thier mojo. That said they didn't have everything in place above that Iowa football has.
 
Every team is a bad hire away from a big drop off. Look at Notre Dame and Michigan. You have to have good coaching especially at Iowa and we have great coaching. Eventually the Hawks will have to hire a new head coach. Hopefully not for a long time.


This is correct. If Michigan can slip because of a bad hire, so can we. In fact, we would likely fall to a lower position than has Michigan if we have a bad hire, because we do not have the national perception of tradition as does Michigan.

Look at our basketball program. It had 20-25 years of success prior to Lickliter (exact duration depends on whether you consider the Alford years "successful").

Because college athletes are with their team for only 4 or 5 years maximum, a program can rise or fall within a few years.
 
This is correct. If Michigan can slip because of a bad hire, so can we. In fact, we would likely fall to a lower position than has Michigan if we have a bad hire, because we do not have the national perception of tradition as does Michigan.

Look at our basketball program. It had 20-25 years of success prior to Lickliter (exact duration depends on whether you consider the Alford years "successful").

Because college athletes are with their team for only 4 or 5 years maximum, a program can rise or fall within a few years.

The basketball situation is far different than football. The UI has re-invested in the football program over the last several decades, the same cannot be said for basketball.

Also watch what happens at scUM over the next couple of years. They are going to be right back at the top of the B10 very shortly. Yes they can make one bad hire and get in a funk, but they get it right the second time and all is forgotten.

I'm not talking about a one or two year swoon. I'm talking about a complete fall from grace, or to a level of football we saw from Iowa in the 60's and 70's, or to where ISU is today.
 
The basketball situation is far different than football. The UI has re-invested in the football program over the last several decades, the same cannot be said for basketball.

Also watch what happens at scUM over the next couple of years. They are going to be right back at the top of the B10 very shortly. Yes they can make one bad hire and get in a funk, but they get it right the second time and all is forgotten.

I'm not talking about a one or two year swoon. I'm talking about a complete fall from grace, or to a level of football we saw from Iowa in the 60's and 70's, or to where ISU is today.

When has ISU been any different?
 
I don't think any college football program can sustain a lofty position with a bad hire or is immune to a few down years.

Several schools were mentioned in previous posts suffering setbacks with bad hires. I would like to add Oklahoma, Alabama and Texas to the list.

Also, there are successful football schools who go through tough times. Florida State comes to mind with a long time coach only to incur losing seasons near the end of his tenure.
 
"Nebraska is a great example. They made one bad hiring decision, but when they decided to change course they had no trouble finding a list of quality applicants willing to take that job. They made a good hire the second time around and they are right back to being what they were."


Iowa isn't Nebraska. I hate to say it, but that is a terrible comparison.
 
Again my point is not that we are immune to a loosing season or two. My point is I don't think we have to worry about being one bad hire from the 60's and 70's.
 
"Nebraska is a great example. They made one bad hiring decision, but when they decided to change course they had no trouble finding a list of quality applicants willing to take that job. They made a good hire the second time around and they are right back to being what they were."


Iowa isn't Nebraska. I hate to say it, but that is a terrible comparison.

I don't think we were comparing them. We were using the fact that if a school with tons of prestige and championships can fall into "dark years" than so can Iowa.
 
Typical referee behavior by Duffman in this thread. Just keeps making the same mistake over and over and over and over...

;)
 
I don't think we were comparing them. We were using the fact that if a school with tons of prestige and championships can fall into "dark years" than so can Iowa.

Actually the point is if Nebraska can have a few dark years and successfuly recover, so will Iowa. Like Nebraska, Iowa now has enough things going right that in the event we make a bad hiring decision, and make a change 3-4 years later we will have enough to sell that an incomming coach would not be starting over at ground zero.
 

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