Well, look at Iowa's roster a lot of the guys have offers from Mid Major teams. I would say the only "athletic" guys on the team or Eric May and Jarryd Cole.
So based on what you are saying this "SYSTEM" should be perfect for Iowa to run.
Why won't the "system" work?
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Well, look at Iowa's roster a lot of the guys have offers from Mid Major teams. I would say the only "athletic" guys on the team or Eric May and Jarryd Cole.
So based on what you are saying this "SYSTEM" should be perfect for Iowa to run.
That is an absurd statement. Gatens is fringe Big 10 starter (great glue guy on a good team). Payne is back-up pg or MVC player. May would never get off the bench of most teams and is essentially an undersized small forward that can't really dribble or shoot. Cougill is so ungodly unatheltic and would never play for more than 10 minutes on good Big 10 teams because he can't block out, move his feet, or play position defense. Fuller is undersized and lacks refined skill. Winks - shoots threes (didn't say makes them). Tucker is a gunner who lacks ballhandling and athleticism. Brommer is tall.
These are not good recruits. These are a collection of fringe Big 10 players, hence why this team can't even stay competitive with teams that have real Big 10 players.
Good question DuffMan. I think that all comes down to the coach, right? Maybe Lickliter was not the great coach that he was made to be, but just the figurehead of a great system and a great tradition that was built long before him.
One could say the table had already been laid for him at Butler making him look better than he actually was. Maybe that is why the Butler faithfull didn't fuss when he left. Maybe that is why they didn't fuss when Matta left either, and so on and so on. I don't think they will worry if Stevens leaves for more money either.
DuffMan
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I see think you can add Fuller to that list as well.
DuffMan
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I completely disagree. None of the guys you mention are world beaters or NBA players but they can all be solid big10 players on the right team. The question is if Lick can build the right team here.
DuffMan
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You might be right. Lick might not be the right guy, it's definately a possiblity. But it sounds like you agree it has NOTHING to do with the "system" and everything to do with the person in charge of it.
Well here is the question..... Iowa obviously needs upgrades, is next year's class a big upgrade talent wise? Hard to say until they get about 15 games deep next year.
The question is can Lick jump up his recruiting enough to save his job? It would be one thing if this was a year 1 team, but he is in year 3 already. He may run out of time.
1977Hawkeye
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I didn't take the time to read all of the responses, so I apologize if I duplicated anything, but in my opinion, you can't just shoot 3's and expect to win.
1. We are a jump shooting team. How many times do you hear announcers say "don't settle for the jumpshot?" That's all we do.
2. If you notice, it seems like games where we play well, or parts of the games where things turn in our favor, it's when we actually do start getting the ball inside
Getting the ball inside does some things:
1. Keeps your offense from being 1-dimensional
2. Provides for some better shots closer to the basket
3. Draw fouls, get the FT line and get the other team in foul trouble
4. Opens things up for the 3 point shooters, and provides opportunities to play inside-out and kick out for open 3's
I'm not a coach, and maybe I don't know squat, but it just seems that when you get the ball inside, good things happen.
1. We are a jump shooting team. How many times do you hear announcers say "don't settle for the jumpshot?" That's all we do.
2. If you notice, it seems like games where we play well, or parts of the games where things turn in our favor, it's when we actually do start getting the ball inside
Getting the ball inside does some things:
1. Keeps your offense from being 1-dimensional
2. Provides for some better shots closer to the basket
3. Draw fouls, get the FT line and get the other team in foul trouble
4. Opens things up for the 3 point shooters, and provides opportunities to play inside-out and kick out for open 3's
I'm not a coach, and maybe I don't know squat, but it just seems that when you get the ball inside, good things happen.
I think it is both.
Butler is a good mid-major team, BUT they are not sneaking up on people like the have in years past. For as good as they were supposed to be this season they are only 3-3 against BCS schools. There three wins include barely beating a down UCLA team by 2 points, and a home game win against an Ohio State team that just lost their best player to a back injury. Their one good win was over Northwestern, in which they beat them at Northwestern 67-54.
What I'm saying is that I think that that system doesn't translate to high-major basketball and maybe Todd Lickliter doesn't either. Sometimes that is just the way things go. Square peg trying to fit in a round hole.
Same thing with Barry Collier who left Butler for Nebraska to try to build that program. He ended up leaving to be the AD of Butler after posting and 89-91 record there. He only had two winning seasons in which Nebraska went to the NIT both times.
I just don't want the peak of Iowa basketball to be making the NIT every few seasons, and never reaching 20 wins.
