Why Stanzi has a shot

You bet Stanzi has a shot. The more I read about why GMs and HCs value him the more I think he may go as high as the second round. Dare I hope for higher?

There are just so many teams that have a need at Quarterback. It is hard to get away from the supply/demand fundamentals. Ricky's pro-style system experience, work ethic, mental focus, and the league regard for Iowa players makes me believe his stock will continue to rise right up to the draft.

Oh and why is it that now every time there is a criticism of Newton somebody is criticizing/apologizing about it being racist? If one does some looking there are alot of the same criticisms coming from alot of different directions piece by piece. The Nawrocki guy just put them all together and let it fly. Even NBCSports.com had this:

"Newton predictions have been all over the map and Nawrocki's is the most extreme example. Nawrocki has been the object of vitriolic rants for giving his honest opinion on Newton, but he's also received calls and messages from NFL teams suggesting that he "hit it on the head" in his evaluation. It's worth noting that Nawrocki is one of the most respected draft analysts in the business."
Source: Pro Football Talk Live on NBCSports.com
 
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Pretty sure that drummer was being sarcastic with his "racist" jab.

That being said, all of the intangibles lacking in these 4 are exactly the things that make Stanzi good. He doesn't have the wheels of Newton, or the arm of Gabbert and Mallett, but there is a lot more to QB than those things. I don't think these guys' success or lack thereof will determine much for Stanzi one way or another, but the glaring weaknesses of these guys at the top of the draft have to create a sigh of relief when front office guys look at or talk to Stanzi.
 
tomhawk80907 said:
hawkdrummer1 said:
Interesting article on the Top 4 QBs in the draft. This is why Stanzi might be a good value for someone in the middle rounds.

(please forgive the racist critique of Cam Newton) :rolleyes:

Cause he doesn't kiss his *** he's racist.
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If it wasn't clear, I was indeed being sarcastic. Warren Moon's whining last week was pathetic. I was attempting to play off that.

And you nailed it Boat. I'm sure lots of GMs that have interviewed Stanzi think "why can't these other guys have what this kid does?" Ricky has a good shot if he can elevate his game a bit.
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Let's hope Ricky is not drafted too high, though. He doesn't need that weight. He needs to be broken down a bit. So, it will take some time. He has become way too mechanical with his deep throws. Looks a lot like Todd Marinovich on those throws. He needs a coach to take some if those mechanics out and get him to throw with more velocity and less finesse.
 
theboat said:
That being said, all of the intangibles lacking in these 4 are exactly the things that make Stanzi good.
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Just curious, if you know that Stanzi possesses what the others lack wouldn't those items then be tangible?
 
Ronco said:
Just curious, if you know that Stanzi possesses what the others lack wouldn't those items then be tangible?
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Actually, no. Although "tangible" does not necessary relate to physical attributes of a person, thing, object, place, etc., it does relate to objective judgment. The things that people identify as "intangibles" for QB's relate to subjective categories such as leadership, work ethic, etc. Basically, abstract categories that one person could conceivably perceive as different than another.

This is different from intelligence, as there are some objective, although flawed, measurements of that capacity.
 
Warren Moon is wrong about the criticism of Newton being racist but he's not an idiot and has a right to his view. I mean, they wouldn't even let him into the NFL after college because he was black so dude has a right to his point of view.

And someone wrote Stanzi doesn't have the wheels of Newton or the arm or Mallet and Gabbert....

And he's going to go at the end of the second round because of his intangibles? Nah, he'll go in the fourth or fifth round. I hope he makes it on a team but he ain't going at the end of the second round most likely.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
tomhawk80907 said:
If it wasn't clear, I was indeed being sarcastic. Warren Moon's whining last week was pathetic. I was attempting to play off that.

And you nailed it Boat. I'm sure lots of GMs that have interviewed Stanzi think "why can't these other guys have what this kid does?" Ricky has a good shot if he can elevate his game a bit.
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Didn't see the interview........ a thousand pardons!
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Ronco said:
Just curious, if you know that Stanzi possesses what the others lack wouldn't those items then be tangible?
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Measureable vs. not is what I was referring to. Things like attitude, work ethic, leadership, etc.
 
CAARHawk said:
Actually, no. Although "tangible" does not necessary relate to physical attributes of a person, thing, object, place, etc., it does relate to objective judgment. The things that people identify as "intangibles" for QB's relate to subjective categories such as leadership, work ethic, etc. Basically, abstract categories that one person could conceivably perceive as different than another.

This is different from intelligence, as there are some objective, although flawed, measurements of that capacity.
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Oh. I thought tangible ALWAYS related to something that was measurable and/or could be grasped. You make it seem like a gray area or I misunderstand your first sentence

However, you do make what would appear to be the meaning of intangible as it relates to QB with this statement- "The things that people identify as "intangibles" for QB's relate to subjective categories such as leadership, work ethic, etc. Basically, abstract categories that one person could conceivably perceive as different than another."

That makes sense to some extent with the key word in that statement being subjective. In other words it's opinion vs something that can be measured.
 
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SteveGarvey said:
Warren Moon is wrong about the criticism of Newton being racist but he's not an idiot and has a right to his view. I mean, they wouldn't even let him into the NFL after college because he was black so dude has a right to his point of view.
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They wouldn't even let him in because he was black? That's funny, they let a whole bunch of other black guys in. How do you suppose they missed all those other guys?!

If you're saying they misjudged his ability to QB, and stereotypes about black QB were part of it, sure. But your original statement is a little over the top.
 
Guys, where these guys get drafted will have NOTHING to do with where Stanzi goes or how well he does in the NFL. All of these guys could fall into the second round and Stanzi will go exactly where he would if they were the first 4 picks in the draft.
 
DuffMan said:
Guys, where these guys get drafted will have NOTHING to do with where Stanzi goes or how well he does in the NFL. All of these guys could fall into the second round and Stanzi will go exactly where he would if they were the first 4 picks in the draft.
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Perhaps not. But the fact that Ricky's strength, is something that seems to be missing in the others...can only help him. Anytime you bring something to the table that your "competition" doesn't have...it's a plus.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
They wouldn't even let him in because he was black? That's funny, they let a whole bunch of other black guys in. How do you suppose they missed all those other guys?!

If you're saying they misjudged his ability to QB, and stereotypes about black QB were part of it, sure. But your original statement is a little over the top.
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Yeah, my bad. I meant the NFL head honchos didn't think black quarterbacks had what it takes to lead a team. I thought about posting a clarification but blew it off.

Course, how absurd that notion is. We have come a long way.
 
Newton is a premier athlete; there is no doubt about that. But when I look back at the most successful NFL quarterbacks in history I see people like Montana, Manning, Elway, Aikman, Bradshaw. These are guys who are good athletes but relied on saavy and intelligence along with top passing skills more than fast feet and running ability. It is just how the NFL has worked over and over again.

So I doubt Newton will live up to the expectations many have for him. I would never use a high (1st round) pick on him. Even though he has big potential the trends over time in the NFL seem to work against him. That is without even considering the many issues that have nothing to do with his athleticism and ability. To me in that area alone I see more red flags with regard to Newton than fly in Oxford on game day.

No doubt though some desperate team will pick him high. Beware...It is kind of like heading west in I-90 from the MN border and being surprised when you see Wall Drug...

...there were signs.
 
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