Why not run this wide open 2 minute O always?

[1977Hawkeye]

This is what worries me. That we were forced by circumstance. I would love to be wrong, but gut feeling says we go back to running the same stuff we always do, and at the same tempo. Common KF, prove me wrong. Go with what worked and got you the win today!

 

[smoot27]

They were still blitzing, but we did a much better job picking them up. I can't believe how bad the O-line was in the first half. Bizarre.

Look at the two best qb's in the NFL in the last decade (Manning and Brady) and guess what scheme they play? Predominantly out of the shotgun. New England runs primarily out of the no huddle. There is a reason they run those offenses.

It's much harder to blitz successfully when your qb is in the shotgun and you spread the defense out.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

100% agree. He looked so much more comfortable working out of the gun (a la Tate), running a semi-hurry up. If IA goes back to same ol same ol next week, and the rest of the season, it will be very disappointing. It was clear as can be today that Vandenberg is at his best operating out the gun w/ 3 or 4 wide. And man talk about a rocket for an arm. Throwing darts is right

Agree 100%. Just waiting to see what we do next week.. But JVB looked really comfortable in that kind of offense. Why not stick with it?

 

[Foval21]

Don't want to run this all the time but I do think we need to use more 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB sets to open up the run game and the pass game. I think JVB and Coker would be helped by this as an 8 man box would be almost impossible to stop the pass in that set.

 

[hawkeye12345]

Next week, I'd like to see us open it up on the no huddle offense to start the game. Run two series and see what happens. If it works, then shut it down so that teams don't prepare for it since we should be able to handle a weak ULM team.

We then have an off week to get better prepared to run that type of offense.

Three step drops and quick passes are the key. Our WRs are big enough to get seperation and the TEs can run the seem route. Run it to keep them honest.

 

[Southernhawk]

Don't want to run this all the time but I do think we need to use more 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB sets to open up the run game and the pass game. I think JVB and Coker would be helped by this as an 8 man box would be almost impossible to stop the pass in that set.

Agree. I mentioned this in a different thread. Open it up!!!

 

[1hawkeye1]

JVB looked very comfortable in the 2 minute offense. If nothing else, at least teams can no longer just sell out against the run.

 

[olivecourt]

Look at the two best qb's in the NFL in the last decade (Manning and Brady) and guess what scheme they play? Predominantly out of the shotgun. New England runs primarily out of the no huddle. There is a reason they run those offenses.

It's much harder to blitz successfully when your qb is in the shotgun and you spread the defense out.

That scheme worked pretty well for Kerry Collins, didn't it?

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

He's old and washed up, unfair comparison.

 

[herky01]

Shotgun or a 3-step drop is what Vandy needs. Too much time and he stares down the receivers, not to mention the O-line breaks down pretty quickly.

 

[smoot27]

That scheme worked pretty well for Kerry Collins, didn't it?

You don't see Brees, Manning, Brady and Rodgers under center 90 percent of the game. I'm not saying JVB is elite like they are, but playing out of the gun was obviously more comfortable for him based on todays results. It makes sense considering he grew up playing out of the gun.

 

[smoot27]

Shotgun or a 3-step drop is what Vandy needs. Too much time and he stares down the receivers, not to mention the O-line breaks down pretty quickly.

He needs to be in the West Cost Offense. Force the linebackers into coverage and open up the field for Coker to wear them down later.

 

[tm3308]

I definitely don't see the need to run the no-huddle all the time. But I think it's abundantly clear that we can execute it when needed. No reason to sit on the ball like we did last week again.

 

[Pakistanzi]

Would that keep us from false starts, personal fouls, holding, and putting kickoffs out of bounds?

The 2 personal foul calls that I saw were absolutely atrocious. I literally sat there for 5 minutes afterwards trying to figure out how's those "penalties" got called.

 

[smoot27]

I definitely don't see the need to run the no-huddle all the time. But I think it's abundantly clear that we can execute it when needed. No reason to sit on the ball like we did last week again.

When we score only 3 points in 2.9 qtrs not running it I see the need. Tell that to Bill Bilechick who runs it the vast majority of the time.

 

[tm3308]

When we score only 3 points in 2.9 qtrs not running it I see the need. Tell that to Bill Bilechick who runs it the vast majority of the time.

Pitt's defense softened up a lot in the fourth quarter, making it easier to do what we did.

Which is what most defenses do at the end of the half to prevent the big play.

 

[olivecourt]

I guarantee there is a thread on a Pitt message board right now that says something like: "Why did we run our 2 minute offense the whole game!?!" Funny how that works.

 

[olivecourt]

He's old and washed up, unfair comparison.

Comparing JVB to Manning and Brady is equally unfair, if not more so.

 

[Healzya]

I believe KF said in the post game that they were thinking about running a more wide open passing offense before they were even forced to. After seeing that I would think he would be more likely to try it early in a game.

 

[SDK46]

It proves we should have tried to move it in regulation against ISU last week. Just not letting this offense try was idiotic. It may not have been as successful as I know many things were different including location, momentum, defense played etc., but they should have been given the chance to try because as we saw today our vertical passing game can have life.

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