Agree this is something Iowa should try to incorporate, and no offense to Mr. Ferentz, but this isn't that "fancy" of a play. Have Powell split out to the right and run a post pattern. Have Canzeri split out left and be the "jet", and then have Wiesman run the stretch play to the left. That is three different options for plays out of the same set and motion. Even if they never gave the ball to Canzeri, the action would cause the LB's and Safeties to pause slightly which may be enough for Wiesman to get a hole or for Powell to get deep. I'm no offensive coordinator, but this seems like something that could be implemented rather easily at the D1 level.
Why Can't Iowa Have a Jet Sweep
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homes
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My first smart *** thought went to more along the lines of a Sopwith Camel. But a P51 works. Conveys the same message.
It's something that we implemented at a 4th grade level, so I would think a D1 school could find a way to make it work.
hawkfan2679
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Didn't we run a jet sweep to Powell in a game earlier this year (he got about 2 yards)?
yeah another way to stress or find a crack in a d is line speed up on one side and run a heavy package on the other. You get to test thier speed on pne side and how well they can handle the power run on the other. Film should help decide which side to do what. By the end of the first series, maybe the second you should have a good idea where the odds are the best for success. You have to get the answers to those tests early, so you can make adjustments later.
mrolympia
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here is how I see the jet sweep playing out. Powell comes into the game and goes in motion. The entire defense follows him. Powell gets the ball where he is immediately met by 5 guys. Loss of 5 yards. Jet sweep only works if you have other plays you can run off it. A zone read would fool the defense good, as would a PA pass off it. Of course, that's not the "iowa" way.
Eda
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IIRC, we ran a jet sweep fake this year. I'd have to go back and watch the games to be certain against whom, but I know I seen it (I actually said to myself "self, we just faked the jet sweep; wow!"). I believe it was with Powell, too. I believe that foils many of the theories here that it's not in the play book or KirFer won't run it because it's not his style.
eveningnewsteam
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Yep. Since it didnt go for 40 yards the first time, back on the shelf it goes.
Eda
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Yes! And we faked it another time! I knew I wasn't a crazy nut case!
But it's not the Iowa way and/or in the play book.
Kthx.
Here is what this all comes down to. Keeping des and lbs guessing. Same formations with several plays from each.
Now some people clamor for big plays. Well only one guy can catch the ball anyway, and the more you have lbs and the entire secondary guessing whats coming next, you have much better odds of hitting a big play.
I always called it a toss sweep, because you need to toss it (not throw it) to get it out there fast. Also because it is a toss up play, are they going side speed, power up the gut or pa.
Now some people clamor for big plays. Well only one guy can catch the ball anyway, and the more you have lbs and the entire secondary guessing whats coming next, you have much better odds of hitting a big play.
I always called it a toss sweep, because you need to toss it (not throw it) to get it out there fast. Also because it is a toss up play, are they going side speed, power up the gut or pa.
hawkeyebob62
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Possibly. On the other hand, I question why the jet sweep has been so successful for Wisconsin. I REALLY question how we contained it, for the most part. Then i remember that, after we did, White bruised us pretty good.
I can't see running with our current personnel. Gordon is not a small back.
As for the Iowa way, nothing "prevents" us from putting it in, and whether you run reverses with a WR or a RB doesn't really matter.
I just haven't seen a lot of reverses from us that I could look back and say, "Boy, THAT was a game-changer", no matter who had the ball.
i will explain how i see it. The stretch is just that, we have all seen it. The rb hopes a hole opens as every player moves to that side of the field. Good for a few yards. The sweep is when a de goes or is forced inside and the fb takes on the first lb to try and get out there. In other words instead of everyone moving to the same side, you are sealing the edge causing a pile up of bodies. Nice part of all this is match ups. Hows your tackle and te and or fb doing? Same formation up the gut, hows the middle of your ol doing? Same formation hows your te or wr doing in pa.
hawkeyebob62
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I think what a lot of people mistake for "running outside" is our RBs "choosing" outside.
HawkeyeMHA
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I agree with OP. I would like to add and think it could be added pretty easily giving us another wrinkle on offense. Add it
maybe. Here is the thing the whole line does not have to flow the same direction. Another thing this is all about individual timing and assignments. Toss it, timing. Pa to a te or wr, timing of the release and so on. Plus if you can catch them in a blitz from the opposite side of the direction of the play, ( or even if the other side, not the sealing side, can get enough push to tie up the backers on the other side) the amount of bodies clogs it up even more. I will tell you if i was a lb or secondary playing our "sweep" or stretch play, i would just go with the flow of what iowas ol is doing. That is why it is hard yardage. Whole ol goes to my right, guess what 99% of the time it is a stretch to that side.
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hawkfan2679
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It marries up nicely with inside zone, so I agree it would be something that wouldn't be too "expensive" to add. Plus, we've run it at least once already this season, so it's not a foreign concept.
hawkfan2679
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There are a couple different type of sweeps, each somewhat schematically different from the other.
Rocket Sweep (used by the flexbone guys - think Georgia Tech)
Toss Sweep
Jet Sweep
Stretch - Starting with the non-"sweep" play. Stretch is basically outside zone, although some teams vary the aiming point for the running back (to account for usage of a TE). Each of the lineman are going to take a significant lateral step, moving in concert to the play side. Their goal is not vertical movement like in the inside zone; rather, they want to get the DL and 2nd level defenders running laterally. The variation in speed of the defenders combined with the leverage of the offensive lineman will dictate where the play will hit. In a perfect world the EMLOS would reach the defensive contain player, allowing the RB to turn the corner (much like he would try to do on a sweep play). But, again highlighting the leverage and horizontal movement of the OL, if an OL is unable to reach a defender because he is pushing so hard to get outside, he can flip his hips, drive his man to (and through?) the sideline, thus opening a gap for the RB to cut inside the block and then bounce it back outside.
Rocket sweep - I mentioned think GT. They have the guy in motion every play...he gets to the B back in that offense and then goes laterally at pace. QB snaps the ball and flings it out to him and he catches at or beyond the tackle position. Block no interior lineman playside...everybody reaches/rips through to 2nd level.
Toss sweep - I remember one of these to Shonn Greene in 2008. Not sure if we've run one since or not. Olddude actually hit on it pretty good. A lot of teams will tag "Crack" on this type of sweep, telling an outside receiver to crack down on a DL/LB in order to help free the edge. Usually what will happen on toss is there will be a down block by a TE, wing, or even an OT in some defensive fronts, allowing interior lineman (usually both guards, or maybe a guard and center) to pull out and lead the sweep. FB is responsible for either a kickout block or sealing the inside, depending on the team/play call. Guards are usually pulling for first color (hit the first thing they see), but if there is no fullback, the first puller will be the kickout (or "log" man if the defender attempts to wrong shoulder the play in order to spill it to the sideline) man and the 2nd man is the true "lead blocker".
Jet sweep - Extremely quick hitting play that involves a motion man coming at close to full speed towards the QB when the ball is snapped. Usually the QB will snap it when the motion man is at the outside leg of the guard to increase the "quick-hittedness" of the play. If there is a 1 technique to the play side, most times he won't even be blocked by the PSG...he will immediately move to the 2nd level. There is no pulling on this play as that would foul up the timing. OT and TE, if there is one, will reach the players over them and the running backs will, in most cases, carry out a fake indicating an inside running play (which is why it marries up so nicely with inside zone). Motion man, after receiving the handoff, bows back a little bit to allow for the blocks to take effect and eliminate threat of any penetration, then will turn the corner, cut inside or outside the WR block depending on leverage/play call and then try to get outside as soon as possible to maximize the distance the LB's have to travel to make the tackle. Ideally you force the safety to make this tackle, which means that you've at least gained a handful of yardage.
What hawkfan said. I am not as good with words or terminology. Call it jet sweep or toss, pretty much the same. You have to have your timing down. Hawkfan also explains very well why the strech is hard yardage. Max output for little gain. Not that it does not have its place. So you still use it, just not as your staple play.
hawkeyebob62
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Very nice.
And while a good way to utilize speed, although it doesn't default to "it has to be the fastest guy on the team that gets the ball" as so many think.
That toss sweep to SG was beautiful to watch.
