Who reviews the refs?

hawkeyebob62 said:
JFC, LTG. The horse collar rule makes NO mention of "player being pulled forward". None.

The targeting rule has nothing to do with whether the tackler used head, shoulder or fist, it's whether the player that is hit is defenseless, and whether or not the hit was ABOVE THE SHOULDERS of said defenseless player. If you saw neither of those occur, it means one, tow, or all three things below, or possibly both:
1) You're blind
2) You didn't see the game
3) You WANTED those calls to go against Iowa because you don't root for Iowa
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I was at the game and I watched the game . You see what you want to see . The hit was not above the shoulders
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
JFC, LTG. The horse collar rule makes NO mention of "player being pulled forward". None.

The targeting rule has nothing to do with whether the tackler used head, shoulder or fist, it's whether the player that is hit is defenseless, and whether or not the hit was ABOVE THE SHOULDERS of said defenseless player. If you saw neither of those occur, it means one, tow, or all three things below, or possibly both:
1) You're blind
2) You didn't see the game
3) You WANTED those calls to go against Iowa because you don't root for Iowa
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You are right . I want Iowa to lose because I’m not a whiny little bitch about the refs . Keep snorting the draino Bob .
 
smitharooney said:
I was at the game and I watched the game . You see what you want to see . The hit was not above the shoulders
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Watch the video at quarter speed and not only do you see the contact to the head/neck area, but you can see ISM's head whip backwards as a result.

You being "at the game" doesn't mean a whole lot, in fact it means you didn't have as good an angle as those who watched it on TV. The endzone view showed forcible, launched contact by the Nebraska player's shoulder to the head/neck area. Textbook targeting.
 
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Fryowa said:
Have an acquaintance who is in his second year working Big Ten football. Started with HS, then NAIA for the GPAC Conference, and then went up through D3/2/1.

Per him...

There are 8 referees on the field, 2 onsite in the booth of the stadium, and 3 in the league office watching the game live. Those 3 in the conference office are not watching multiple games, they are assigned to that game and that game only for the duration.

Immediately after the game they have roughly 30 minutes to shower and get dressed, and immediately after that they have a game review session with a "game observer" who is a senior official and also employed by the conference. They review points of emphasis that the observer saw, and are rated on an individual level and as a crew. Lasts about 2 hours on average.

This happens after each game no matter what time it is, if it's a 6:30 kick they probably won't head to the hotel until midnight, i.e. they don't wait until the next day if it gets late.

He makes around $3,000 per game for B1G, plus travel expenses and air fare if needed, also has a flexible full time job. Would NOT be worth $30,000 gross wages to me. F That. You'd have to either be a special breed or have aspirations of becoming an NFL ref where the money is huge. The guy I'm referencing here is a Type-A, climb a mountain because it's there kind of dude.

This part is per me, take it for what it's worth, which is worth what you paid for it...

It is ridiculously hard to get to that level and the amount of prep you have to go through every week is insane. If you think any of those guys are diving to make a certain team win you're fucking stupid. Everyone here (myself included) would tilt like a pinball machine if you stepped on that field to make calls. Some people are better than others just like any other job, but you have to be insanely good and have a lot of years of evaluated experience before you even get a look. Even then you literally have to luck into the job at the right place and right time.
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And as with anything, there are poor performers and sometimes people have a shitty day at work for various reasons, but this game was a complete and total shit show, including the replay official. How does a QB throw a hardball strike into his own lineman's ass and it gets missed by everyone? No illegal touch.
 
westender said:
And as with anything, there are poor performers and sometimes people have a shitty day at work for various reasons, but this game was a complete and total shit show, including the replay official. How does a QB throw a hardball strike into his own lineman's ass and it gets missed by everyone? No illegal touch.
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To be clear I didn’t claim that they don’t have bad games at times, the OP asked how refs are evaluated and I gave information. I personally don’t think they did a very good job Thursday, but that’s like Mr. Wizard criticizing Stephen Hawking.

Saying that refs are out to F a certain team is complete bullshit though. There are 120 NFL referees and aside from those guys, P5 college officials are the best of the best in the sport. 10 camera angles, 720p resolution, and super high frame rate slow motion make their job a whole lot tougher because everyone and their brother can pick apart the play afterwards.

Go back 20-30 years and I guarantee you officials weren’t even half as good. We didn’t know it, though, because we had blurry, grainy footage with few camera angles and shitty slow mo. Ironically, today’s refs are way better because they have to be since they get scrutinized so hard.
 
homes said:
Here's another one. Koerner makes the pick. The Nebraska OL head butts him. Penalty flag. Yes, targeting. 15 yards. Time to take a couple of shots down the field. But wait, what's that? It's a sideline warning on Iowa. For what? Complaining that the refs missed the head butt. Fast forward. Sargent fumbles. The Nebraska team comes on the field. That's ok, just a little celebration. Don't get me wrong. Iowa let Nebraska back in this game in the third quarter, but still, the refs did not have a good game.
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The Sargent fumble should've been forward progress stopped and whistled dead IMO. I've seen a lot of running plays whistled dead on plays just like that. But they let it go and then he pushed forward and fumbled.
 
BVHawk95 said:

Watch the video at quarter speed and not only do you see the contact to the head/neck area, but you can see ISM's head whip backwards as a result.

You being "at the game" doesn't mean a whole lot, in fact it means you didn't have as good an angle as those who watched it on TV. The endzone view showed forcible, launched contact by the Nebraska player's shoulder to the head/neck area. Textbook targeting.
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Whiplash was from the force of a clean hit . It was shoulder to shoulder. I rewatched the game at home to confirm .
 
smitharooney said:
Whiplash was from the force of a clean hit . It was shoulder to shoulder. I rewatched the game at home to confirm .
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You don’t understand the targeting rule as it’s written. That was, as @BVHawk95 mentioned, a textbook targeting situation.

You certainly don’t have to take my word for it, Blandino said it was also targeting and he’s a former Vice President of officiating and trained referees for a living in the NFL.

Personally I don’t give two shits if anyone thinks it’s the right or wrong call, but that player lowered his head and forcibly launched himself into the head/neck area of a defenseless player. Head/neck area does not mean helmet, and that is emphasized even at the high school level.
 
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Fryowa said:
You don’t understand the targeting rule as it’s written. That was, as @BVHawk95 mentioned, a textbook targeting situation.

You certainly don’t have to take my word for it, Blandino said it was also targeting and he’s a former Vice President of officiating and trained referees four a living in the NFL.

Personally I don’t give two shits if anyone thinks it’s the right or wrong call, but that player lowered his head and forcibly launched himself into the head/neck area of a defenseless player. Head/neck area does not mean helmet, and that is emphasized even at the high school level.
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I understand the rule . Are you allowed to hit a defenseless player shoulder to shoulder?
 
BVHawk95 said:
As a matter fact, no.

It also doesn't matter if the contact initiates at the shoulder, it still went to the head.
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The one camera angle in super slow motion showed no contact to the head or neck . I’m not making this shit up . They must have seen what I saw .
 
smitharooney said:
I understand the rule . Are you allowed to hit a defenseless player shoulder to shoulder?
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Not if you lower your head and launch yourself into a defenseless player. You’re conveniently leaving out two parts of the targeting rule to make your case, which is hilarious.

That’s like saying, “But! But!!! It says in the rule book you’re allowed to touch a player’s face mask!!!” To justify hands to the face being legal. Yeah, you can touch a face mask during a stiff arm, but you’d be leaving out the fact that you can’t grab the face mask just to defend your point. That’s weak sauce.

Read the NCAA rule book definitions and interpretation in the case books. The NFHS ones are the same as NCAA. The definition of a “launch” is in there, the definition of a “defenseless” player is in there, and the shoulder pads are part of the head/neck area.

Look, if you want to keep believing it’s a clean call by all means go ahead, doesn’t affect my day. But cherry picking a tiny part of the rules and leaving other parts out is hokey as shit, lol.
 
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