When we're undefeated at the end of this season...

DDHawkeye

DDHawkeye

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Do you think there is any chance we could get screwed out of playing in the national championship game when (I refuse to say "if") we're undefeated? It would have happened in 2009 if we had gone undefeated. Do we need "style points" or is simply winning all our games enough for the Hawkeyes to play in the national championship game this season?
 
Only by Texas or Oklahoma and Alabama IMO

But we could potentiayl go undefeated and OSU would probably still be top 10 Wisconsin and Arizona could be top 15-20 or even higher, that would be a pretty nice resume.
 
If a SEC and/or Big 12, Pac 10 team were also undefeated it could get interesting.

Don't think a ACC, Big East or any other conference (including Boise St or TCU) would get invited before us.

But it would be another year of controversy.

Needless to say, we need a playoff system.
 
If (and I will say IF) we go undefeated, we will play in either the BCS National Championship Game, or the Rose Bowl. Either option looks great to me sitting here 3 weeks from the opening kickoff. I refuse to start arguing about how we might get screwed over in a hypothetical situation 3 months from now. There's a lot of work to be done before things like this should even be discussed.
 
An undefeated SEC team would be in as would a undefeated Texas/OU. Very outside shot of an undefeated Miami or Va Tech, but I think Iowa would probably get in over them. Miami and Va.Tech both have a higher profile OOC game but the ACC should fall below the B10 in conference strength....
 
I would not mind seeing a Iowa vs. Nebraska NC title game. Wow that would set up a big ten rivalry next year!
 
trapperjon said:
If a SEC and/or Big 12, Pac 10 team were also undefeated it could get interesting.

Don't think a ACC, Big East or any other conference (including Boise St or TCU) would get invited before us.

But it would be another year of controversy.

Needless to say, we need a playoff system.
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If Boise runs the table, they will get an invite over us. Maybe not over an undefeated 'Bama and OSU. But 3 years straight of 12-0 records at the end of the regular season is going to punch a ticket for them. If Boise doesn't get in with an undefeated record, I'll be pretty ticked. They'll have knocked off Virginia Tech AND Oregon State, and there are one or two team in their conference that are decent.

I know a lot of people say they don't belong. Maybe they don't. But after 3 straight undefeated seasons, I'd say it'd be time to let them prove it one way or the other. If they lose badly, then we'll not have to hear from them again. If they win, then they have a case for deserving to be there in the first place.
 
Personally, I hope the Hawkeyes do go undefeated, but that they play in the Rose Bowl. Just because the BCS calls its game a national championship doesn't make it one. It isn't, and everyone knows it. So I don't really care about it. There is no bowl game that can match the Rose Bowl. I've been there to see two Iowa losses ('82 and '86). I hope to be there in '11 to see the first Iowa Rose Bowl victory since 1959. National Championship? Let's go 13-0 with a Rose Bowl title and let the BCS deal with that.
 
As for Boise State, I loved the Broncos great win over Okie in the Fiesta Bowl a few years back, but look at their schedule... They play 2 or 3 tough games a year. How can they possibly be compared to an Iowa or an Ohio State on a week-to-week basis? I love the boys from the Smurf Turf, but strength of schedule is so low it's hard to know how to evaluate them. It's impossible for me to believe Boise could be more than a .500 team in the SEC, the Big Ten, the Pac 10, ACC or even the Big XII (or whatever it is now).
 
Some guy did these comments up on an ESPN board yesterday. He did a great job talking about Boise State and how they didn't deserve to play for a NC:

There's more than one way to skin a Bronco. Have a look at this (Big Ten example):
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Between 2002-2009, here is the comparative winning % and W/L record of Boise State and Big Ten Schools vs AQ schools outside one's conference:
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73% (11-4) Wisconsin
70% (14-6) Ohio State
67% (10-5) Penn State
60% (12-8) Iowa
46% (6-7) Northwestern
46% (6-7) BSU
45% (5-6) Purdue
40% (4-6) Minnesota
40% (4-6) Michigan
30% (3-7) Michigan State
20% (2-8) Indiana
13% (2-13) Illinois
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Of course during these 8 years all the Big Ten teams had 64 additional AQ games (versus each other). Boise's 13 AQ games were the ONLY AQ games they played for 8 years (bowls included). You think Boise deserves a title shot? Well then why not let Northwestern have a try?
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Let me put it another way: when Northwestern and Boise State play non-Big Ten AQ schools, they both win at a 46% rate (from 2002-2008).
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Perhaps they should play each other for the (46%) National Championship...
 
tm3308 said:
If Boise runs the table, they will get an invite over us. Maybe not over an undefeated 'Bama and OSU. But 3 years straight of 12-0 records at the end of the regular season is going to punch a ticket for them. If Boise doesn't get in with an undefeated record, I'll be pretty ticked. They'll have knocked off Virginia Tech AND Oregon State, and there are one or two team in their conference that are decent.

I know a lot of people say they don't belong. Maybe they don't. But after 3 straight undefeated seasons, I'd say it'd be time to let them prove it one way or the other. If they lose badly, then we'll not have to hear from them again. If they win, then they have a case for deserving to be there in the first place.
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Wow, they'll have beat one good team and one decent one. What a resume, no way you can keep them out. If there are three undefeated teams, Boise and two BCS conference teams, I think Boise should be the odd man out. Having such an easy schedule where you can have an off week and still win easily is a huge advantage.
 
DBorwig316 said:
If (and I will say IF) we go undefeated, we will play in either the BCS National Championship Game, or the Rose Bowl. Either option looks great to me sitting here 3 weeks from the opening kickoff. I refuse to start arguing about how we might get screwed over in a hypothetical situation 3 months from now. There's a lot of work to be done before things like this should even be discussed.
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You really went out on a limb here, these are the only 2 options for Iowa if they do run the table. 12-0 and ranked #3 (behind two 12-0 BCS teams) means no NC but they are still the Big Ten Champs and go to the Rose Bowl, 12-0 and ranked #1 or #2 and they play for all the marbles.
 
If Iowa goes undefeated at the end of the season and there are only two other undefeated teams, and the others are Boise and an SEC or Big 12 team, I think Iowa would need to get screwed not to get into the BCS champ game.

Why do I say this? Because Iowa's computer numbers would be so much better than Boise's that the human voters would have to put Iowa behind some of the one loss teams. Basically, they would have to manipulate the system in an obvious manner to keep us out.
 
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Here's a scenario that I actually don't mind.

-Iowa goes undefeated and finishes BCS#3.
-Dominates their Rose Bowl opponent.
-Meanwhile, the NC game is kind of a disaster and #2 squeaks by #1 based on dumb luck. Everyone is disappointed.
-Iowa is given the AP National Championship and everyone around the country says "Man, I wish we could see them play against the BCS champ."
-Hawkeye Nation rejoices
 
tm3308 said:
If Boise runs the table, they will get an invite over us. Maybe not over an undefeated 'Bama and OSU. But 3 years straight of 12-0 records at the end of the regular season is going to punch a ticket for them. If Boise doesn't get in with an undefeated record, I'll be pretty ticked. They'll have knocked off Virginia Tech AND Oregon State, and there are one or two team in their conference that are decent.

I know a lot of people say they don't belong. Maybe they don't. But after 3 straight undefeated seasons, I'd say it'd be time to let them prove it one way or the other. If they lose badly, then we'll not have to hear from them again. If they win, then they have a case for deserving to be there in the first place.
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I couldn't disagree more regarding Boise State. I think a one loss big ten or SEC school should jump an undefeated Boise State. They play absolutely NOBODY during their conference schedule.

Seriously, this is who they play after Va tech(11), Wyoming(59) and Oregon state (36) (last years final ranking from CBS)



New Mexico State (114)
Toledo (100)
San Jose State (111)
Louisiana tech (98)
Hawaii (75)
Idaho (50)
Fresno State (51)
Nevada (52)
Utah State (101)

For comparison Iowa plays #'s 5, 9, 14, 35, 40, and others.
 
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iowamike21 said:
Personally, I hope the Hawkeyes do go undefeated, but that they play in the Rose Bowl. Just because the BCS calls its game a national championship doesn't make it one. It isn't, and everyone knows it. So I don't really care about it. There is no bowl game that can match the Rose Bowl. I've been there to see two Iowa losses ('82 and '86). I hope to be there in '11 to see the first Iowa Rose Bowl victory since 1959. National Championship? Let's go 13-0 with a Rose Bowl title and let the BCS deal with that.
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It does matter to pocket books and perception. Perception is reality and a NC title at the UofI would be huge! You just cant deny it.

on a side note I am sick of fans saying IF we go undefeated. Do you think the players goals are to maybe go undefeated, and maybe get into a good bowl game? As fans we need to help inspire the players to their goals, and i guarantee without being in the locker room their goal is the NC title! To do better then last year! To be the best and beat the best!

Which if they are the best and beat the best that means that the NC title game will be:

Regular size Hawkeyes vs. mini Hawkeyes

now who would win that match up?
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Wow, they'll have beat one good team and one decent one. What a resume, no way you can keep them out. If there are three undefeated teams, Boise and two BCS conference teams, I think Boise should be the odd man out. Having such an easy schedule where you can have an off week and still win easily is a huge advantage.
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Well I would imagine that you are among the many who are sick of Boise, correct? So why not let them in, get their teeth kicked in, and then not have to hear from them ever again? I agree that their resume won't be that impressive considering who they play. But 3 straight 12-0 seasons for a team that gets as much hype as BSU does these days? If that's not enough to finally punch a ticket, there's going to be riots.

I get sick of the superiority complex everyone has. Let them go out and prove it one way or another. I hated the Fiesta Bowl matchup this past year (and have no doubt that it was set up that way intentionally), letting them in to "keep them in their place". Let these teams go out and prove themselves. If they can't do it, then go away. If they can, well then we've got little room to complain.

Just because a team's conference isn't very good doesn't mean that the best team can't play in it. No different than the best player playing for the worst team. They aren't exclusive things. Does their schedule make things easier on them? Sure. Does that automatically mean they aren't good enough? No. Let them prove it one way or the other.
 
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