When Forbes is hired...

I am not so sure that MM is unbiased. His over-the-top sales job does not include much critical counter-points. Unbiased critique includes negatives as well as positives. MM's unbiased opinion looks more like Fox News' or MSNBC's unbiased opinion.

Come on. This guy has no chinks in his armour even though he has never been rumored as an individual of interest for any head coaching position at a 4 year school? I find that hard to believe. MM would appear much more credible if he talked about some of the negatives.
 
Don't let his post fool you.... Steve Forbes was wildly successful as a JUCO head coach. He produced 3 Juco All Americans in just 3 years as head coach at Barton. He went 68-28 and beat 15 nationally ranked JUCO teams in that time span and was nationally ranked twice at the end of the year at Barton.

It's also helpful to understand that every year at a JUCO is a rebuilding year. You never have much of a team coming back..... so those who win at JUCO's typically are VERY good recruiters.

mm

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Exactly. Do people really think Barta is going to walk to the podium and intoduce Steve Forbes as the next coach? After firing Lick who was the national coach of the year in 07 and with all he said at his presser about who he wanted to hire next?? I don't see it. The apathetic fans that have lost interest are not going to get excited about steve Forbes. At least Steve Lavin is reconized by most people and would be better PR... not to mention he has a heck of a resume.


So now it's about the casual fan recognizing the name as it's announced? Pity that it isn't about who would be the best hire for the program. Of course it takes a little vision torecognize that fact. Not so much in wanting a recognizable name, and the name of someone that is no longer passionate about coaching at that.
 
No there won't be an attendance increase because he's fat and people don't want to watch a fat guy coach. It's gross.
 
No there won't be an attendance increase because he's fat and people don't want to watch a fat guy coach. It's gross.

Your third grade teacher called, she said don't forget about the test on Monday.
 
Your third grade teacher called, she said don't forget about the test on Monday.

What kind of message would we be sending to the kids? Heart disease is awesome? Do you want heart disease to represent Iowa basketball? Well I don't.

Mr. Forbes, interduce yourself with a treadmill before you step into Iowa City.
 
What kind of message would we be sending to the kids? Heart disease is awesome? Do you want heart disease to represent Iowa basketball? Well I don't.

Mr. Forbes, interduce yourself with a treadmill before you step into Iowa City.
Fan of Rick Majerus?
 
Iowa had a huge scandal in bb because they got a commitment from Malik Perry and the de-committed,and ended up qualifying at Ball St and is on track to graduate there? If that constitutes a scandal,we are the cleanest bb program in the history of the game....the guy ultimately qualified at a Div 1 institution,for gods sakes.

If those educators are shocked because Iowa recruited a kid who ultimately qualified at a div 1 institution and appears to be on track to graduate...they have lost sight of the University of Iowa's mission....educate and graduate young worthy student athletes.
As far as I know Malik Perry was the only commitment Iowa ever got from a ''diploma mill'' type of institution. He qualified at Ball St....where is the scandal?
If we rule out any recruits from prep schools...like the top 50 pg that Brian Gregory has coming from Oak Hill...it will be another ''five year plan''...
 
Iowa had a huge scandal in bb because they got a commitment from Malik Perry and the de-committed,and ended up qualifying at Ball St and is on track to graduate there? If that constitutes a scandal,we are the cleanest bb program in the history of the game....the guy ultimately qualified at a Div 1 institution,for gods sakes.

If those educators are shocked because Iowa recruited a kid who ultimately qualified at a div 1 institution and appears to be on track to graduate...they have lost sight of the University of Iowa's mission....educate and graduate young worthy student athletes.
As far as I know Malik Perry was the only commitment Iowa ever got from a ''diploma mill'' type of institution. He qualified at Ball St....where is the scandal?
If we rule out any recruits from prep schools...like the top 50 pg that Brian Gregory has coming from Oak Hill...it will be another ''five year plan''...

Good grief, how could anyone get it more wrong than this. The poster is clueless about why it was a scandal that got the University of Iowa humiliated in extensive SERIES of expose stories in the nation's leading newspapers.

And while Malik Perry's name appears priminently in those stories the scandal WAS NOT ABOUT HIM.

Perry was an inner-city Philly kid, went to the same HS as Wilt Chamberlain, finished without coming close to having the core course requirements of the NCAA, let alone the higher number mandated as an absolute mimimum at Iowa public universities by the State Board of Regents. Perry seems to have been a naive kid who fell prey to a Philly hustler who told him that for a few thousand bucks he could provide him all the credentials he needed to get past the NCAA Clearing House on Initial Eligibility. So Perry's family paid the money and he was "enrolled" in a "prep academy" with no classrooms, no teachers, no attempt to get certification of any kind, paying outrageous rent to the hustler to live in a unheated slum building unfit for human occupancy--all the facts that were printed i the NY Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, the Philaddelphia Inquier, always coupled with emphasis upon the fact that Perry was nonetheless being offered a schollie at Iowa by Alford & Neal (even though they had to be aware that even if the Clearinghouse didn't turn him down, there was zero chance that he would be accepted by the Iowa Office of Admissions).

The scandal was NOT that Perry was too unaware that he could not bypass the basic requirements of eligibility to pay college athletics by taking part in a scam operation. Indeed, the kid paid a price, not just in the money the family threw away being conned by the Philly street hustler, but also in wasting a year of his life. To his credit, after the scandal, the kid enrolled in an honest juco program, made up the deficience in his academic record, and eventually qualified under NCAA eligibility rules.

That does NOT mean that Perry was not involved in the scandal or that Iowa was unfairly tarnished by the embarassing publicity about the wilingness of the Iowa coaches to deal KNOWINGLY with this crooked program AND other phony academies where Neal actively was trying to win recruits.

That Perry was the first to give Alford & Neal his "commitment" is only a small part of the scandalous behavior of Alford &Neal--who made a number of reported offers to other unqualified players in similar phony "academies".

The scandal did not center on Perry; it centered on the highly-paid employees of the University of Iowa who deliberately chose not to find out the most basic facts (one simple phone call was all that was needed to find out that the "academy" did not exist) so that Neal could pretend that he didn't know the facts--never visited the non-existent school, never talked to the coach, never checked on anything, just talked to Perry and the street hustler (and never bothered to check his identity and credentials either).

Everyone involved at Iowa knows that when the scandal broke the same weekend in the NY Times & Washington Post, the distinguished former President of the U of Iowa, Sandy Boyd, who was serving an interim President after Dave Skorton left for Cornell University, was furious and that he was determined that Alford & Neal were to be removed ASAP; and everyone close to the program knows that it was Boyd's directive to Barta that was the reason behind the obvious ploy Barta selects to force Alford out: both Barta & Alford knew that the next season was going to be worse than the one just ended, and that there wasn't the proverbial snowball's chance in Hades that Alford's team could meet Barta's ultimatium--make it back to the NCAA tournament next season, or I will have to remove you.

Clearly. from your post, it is evident that you aren't familiar with either the major players at the U of Iowa, or the extent to which the Pierce & recruiting scandals were instrumental in the selection of Lickliter three years ago or how they set the parameters for the search now.

As I've mentioned many times previously on internet boards, the essential fact underlying the place of intercollegiate athletics at the University of Iowa is that athletic programs amount to less than 5 % of the overall University budget, less than 10 % of the funds from research grants, contracts, patents etc. The compelling priority, dwarfing all other considerations, for Iowa is to maintain and extend its reputation and prestige as a major academic & research institution. The leadership of the university, the regents, state officials are ambitious to raise Iowa's rank among the major universities; and they are acutely aware of the damage that football or basketball programs scandals can do.

Schools that are not major research universities--those like Memphis, UNLV, El Paso...or Auburn, Alabama, Oklahoma, Mizzou, Nebraska--either depend upon booster dollars & soldout arenas to pay the costs of their total athletic programs or, in the later category, feel they have to win and don't have that much research funding to jeopardize anyway. Others--like the BT's Michigan & Illinois, are positioned so well in their standing as major academic & research universities that they have been willing to gamble, to tolerate excesses in their programs without enough oversight. But Iowa is not (yet) a university that has acquired such lofty status--not even in its own mind. Hence its leaders believe they must be more sensitive about & more concerned to avoid more scandals.
 
Look up Malik Perry. He qualified at Ball St and is in his third year there. He has one more year. He did not attend a junior college to become eligible.
Try facts...they help your case.

Of course they want to avoid a scandal.
Iowa has not had one since Connie Hawkins.
Honestly,they should de-emphasize all sports at Iowa...make them club sports,since they clearly contribute so little to the overall financial pie.
Look at how Wis,Minny,Ill,OSU,Mich.NW,and IU have all been destroyed as institutions due to their scandals in sports.
They used to be viable institutions of higher learning ...just a shame to see them brought down like they were...just empty shells of their once greatness.
 
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Look up Malik Perry. He qualified at Ball St and is in his third year there. He has one more year. He did not attend a junior college to become eligible.
Try facts...they help your case.

Of course they want to avoid a scandal.
Iowa has not had one since Connie Hawkins.
Honestly,they should de-emphasize all sports at Iowa...make them club sports,since they clearly contribute so little to the overall financial pie.
Look at how Wis,Minny,Ill,OSU,Mich.NW,and IU have all been destroyed as institutions due to their scandals in sports.

Malik Perry more than a year after he was refused admission at Iowa due to the rejection of his phony transcript from the fraudulent Lutheran (Lutheran officials in Pennsylvania were quick to point out that it had NO association with any Lutheran Synod) Philly Academy completed the additional work necessary to meet NCAA minimum requirements. Two and a half years after his senior year of HS at Philly's Roman Catholic he was accepted by Ball State (he still did not quality by Iowa admissions requirements). He is turning 23 years old while only a junior in college, and IF he manages to obtain enough credits he can graduate from Ball State as "early" as age 24 (Neal was pursuing Perry the same time as Tyler Smith, a younger guy you might remember spent a year at Iowa four years ago; when Perry was finishing his HS career, Eric May was in grade school).

As for "scandals" at Iowa you obviously have no idea of what you are talking about. Iowa a few years ago was found guilty of a minor violation in its wrestling program. That isn't "scandal". Scandal is keeping a rapist on the basketball team giving him $30,000 a year until he sexually assaulted another young woman. Scandal is when your coaches get caught offering more than $100,000 worth or college scholarship to basketball gypsies who they know are trying to scam their way into college with fake credentials from phony prep schools (without classrooms, without teachers, without books, without accreditation or any pretense of seeking it--nothing but a phone answering service, a hustler calling himself "coach" and a rented gym to play basketball outside the scope of the state athletic association).

Nor do you have a clue, not a clue, when you refer to an Iowa scandal in regard to Connie Hawkins. There was no "scandal" involving the recruitment of Hawkins or the brief six months he was at Iowa. I'm sure of that because I worked in the Iowa athletic dept at the time Hawkins was recruited--no faked transcripts, no booster "spending money", no special treatment. Some of us thought it was a touch scandalous that Sharm would bring in a kid who make no pretense of wanting a college education, but there were no NCAA rules then about initial eligibility, HS grades, etc & no SAT or ACT board scores--even so it was touch & go getting Hawkins past Iowa Admissions (even if the basic requirement to get into an Iowa university at the time was a HS diploma).

Hawkins never bothered to attend classes or visit the library: the first semester he failed every course, had a 0.00 GPA; Second semester his mid-term grades were all Fs; in April he was informed by the Registrar's Office that he would not be allowed to register the following year. His basketball career as a Hawkeye was over before it began (freshmen were not eligible to play varsity sports). He packed and left campus a few days later.

Two months later, he was called to testify back in NYC when NY State officials began an investigation of the point-shaving scandal in NYC colleges, with indications that NYC HS players may have been involved--including Hawkins during his senior year BEFORE he came to Iowa. Hawkins cooperated with the investigators, and they eventual found no evidence of his complicity. Obviously, the U of Iowa was not involved in the scandal...but Hawkins himself later tried to spin a version of Iowa not supporting him and dropping him because of the allegations---a version that conflicted with the real facts that he had been flunked out & left Iowa City two months before reporters broke the point-shaving stories.

And if you truly believe that administrators at Michigan, Wisky, etc did not see the scandals as major disasters, you might start by taking into account the millions they had to pay to law firms trying to cope with the aftermath, or the numbers of major donors and contributors who were alienated, the number of alumni who dropped their contributions & the extent of the financial losses to the various development fund-raising efforts. Of closer to home, the monetary outlay and the dropped donations at the U of Iowa running into the millions as a result of the Pierce scandal. Indeed, the consensus in post-secondary education is that a major football or basketball scandal can have more negative impact on fund-raising than winning has positively (numerous studies show that there is no meaningful correlation between successful athletic programs and overall university fund-raising).Since this is the work that prior to retirement I dealt with as an economist in the Office of Post-Secondary Education in the US Dept of Education, I'm very confident about the accuracy of this overview.

The beginning of understanding is to learn that there are more than 3,000 4-year colleges & universities with sports programs, plus the junior colleges, vocational schools, correspondence-type progorams, etc---and about 98% of them LOSE money on their athletic programs. Don't be so credulous as to believe the myth that colleges and universities field football, basketball, etc teams to make money (even the few like the U of Iowa that operate in the black year after year don't derive any monetary gain to support academic & reserach programs; indeed, it works the other way: nearly all Division 1 athletic programs are subsidized by the state general funds (i.e., taxpayers); and the U of Iowa, which only in the past two years has ended general university funding of athletic programs, still maintains a mandatory student fee paid to the athletic department whether the student is a fan or detests sports.

The oddity is that so many fanatical fans of college athletics feel that it can only be justified iif it is a cash cow. They cannot grasp that the colleges themselves believe that intercollegiate athletics serve important purposes and are an integral part of the overall education and preparation for life of their students--which is their mission and reason for existence.
 
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