I think Backes has done a fantastic job and is a major reason for the improvement of our big guys and signing some of the top upper weight recruits with Telford and now Brooks and Burak. My comment insinuating he might be a little light to really push the big boys was specifically in reference to heavyweight. Backes did wrestle 197 but I don't think he would have to cut much if any today to make that and I'm just not sure how realistic of a look he can give Telford in preparation against larger heavies that are strong as a bull and have the weight to go along with it. With Blake graduating this year and no real heavies other than Telford next year, he's going to need a good partner just to get a good wrestling workout. I think Backes will give him all he can handle, just not sure he can replicate the same look as a Nelson from Minnesota for example. I by no means think Backes should be let go. I think he's perfect for 174-197 and technique advice for Heavyweight. I just wish there was an additional heavyweight coach to wrestle live and push Telford.
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I think Backes has done a fantastic job and is a major reason for the improvement of our big guys and signing some of the top upper weight recruits with Telford and now Brooks and Burak. My comment insinuating he might be a little light to really push the big boys was specifically in reference to heavyweight. Backes did wrestle 197 but I don't think he would have to cut much if any today to make that and I'm just not sure how realistic of a look he can give Telford in preparation against larger heavies that are strong as a bull and have the weight to go along with it. With Blake graduating this year and no real heavies other than Telford next year, he's going to need a good partner just to get a good wrestling workout. I think Backes will give him all he can handle, just not sure he can replicate the same look as a Nelson from Minnesota for example. I by no means think Backes should be let go. I think he's perfect for 174-197 and technique advice for Heavyweight. I just wish there was an additional heavyweight coach to wrestle live and push Telford.
castille
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Help me out pumpdog. PennSt, Iowa, And Minnesota, had eight wrestlers finish 5th or better. Are the eight points your talking about coming from 133 and 141# for PennSt? If so, it wasn't eight, it was seven. You get a point for finishing seventh but you don't get the extra half a point. I see where your coming from because the 133 and 141# for PennSt will have bad seeds. I do think the Dardanes kid will score some points for Minnesota at 133 but not all american.
pin2win
@hagertony
qualifiers by home state:
Iowa, Clear Lake-Joe Colon (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Council Bluffs-George Ivanov (Boise State) Jr
Iowa, Davenport-Blayne Beale (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Denver-Levi Wolfensperger (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Des Moines-Montell Marion (Iowa) Sr
Iowa, Des Moines-John Nicholson (Old Dominion) So
Iowa, Iowa City-Grant Gambrall (Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Marion-Matt McDonough (Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Parnell-Derek St. John (Iowa) So
Iowa, Sheldon-Josh Ihnen (Nebraska) Jr
Iowa, Woden-Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State) Sr
Pennsylvania, Auburn-Josh Kindig (Oklahoma State) So
Pennsylvania, Bellefonte-Mitchell Port (Edinboro) Fr
Pennsylvania, Belle Vernon-PJ Tasser (Pittsburgh) So
Pennsylvania, Bethlehem-Brandon Palik (Drexel) So
Pennsylvania, Bloomsburg-Colt Fought (NC State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Broomall-Richard Durso (Franklin & Marshall) Fr
Pennsylvania, Camp Hill-Bryan Ortenzio (Penn) Sr
Pennsylvania, Coopersburg-Kyle John (Maryland) Sr
Pennsylvania, Dalmatia-Jon Fausey (Virginia) So
Pennsylvania, East Greenville-Zack Kemmerer (Penn) Sr
Pennsylvania, Easton, Mike McMullan (Northwestern) Fr
Pennsylvania, Easton-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State) Jr
Pennsylvania, Easton-Jimmy Sheptock (Maryland) So
Pennsylvania, Eighty-Four-Matt Ryan (West Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Enola-Mike Evans (Iowa) Fr
Pennsylvania, Greenville-Mason Beckman (Lehigh) Fr
Pennsylvania, Greenville-Ben Clymer (Hofstra) Sr
Pennsylvania, Harleysville-Brian Tanen (Lehigh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Tony Dallago (Illinois) So
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Walter Peppelman (Harvard) Jr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Marshall Peppelman (Cornell) Fr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Ed Ruth (Penn State) So
Pennsylvania, Jeanette-Shane Young (West Virginia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Johnstown-Tanner Hough (Duke) Fr
Pennsylvania, Latrobe-Nathan Pennesi (West Virginia) So
Pennsylvania, Lewisburg-Nathaniel Brown (Lehigh) Fr
Pennsylvania, Lewistown-Nic Bedelyon (Kent State) Sr
Pennsylvania, Lewistown-Matt Snyder (Virginia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Littlestown-Tyler Small (Kent State) So
Pennsylvania, Meadville-Shelton Mack (Pittsburgh) So
Pennsylvania, Mechanicsburg-Tristan Warner (Old Dominion) So
Pennsylvania, Mercer-Seth Creasy (Lock Haven) Sr
Pennsylvania, Middletown-Tyler Nauman (Pittsburgh) Sr
Pennsylvania, Milford-Joe Kennedy (Lehigh) Sr
Pennsylvania, Mill Hall-Dylan Alton (Penn State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Mountaintop-Jake O'Hara (Columbia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Mount Joy-Austin Miller (Bucknell) Fr
Pennsylvania, Murrysville-Nico Megaludis (Penn State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Nazareth-Zach Horan (Central Michigan) Fr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Geoff Alexander (Maryland) Fr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Garrett Frey (Princeton) Jr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Frank Martellotti (Penn State) So
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Matt Nelson (Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Nick Nelson (Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Matt Wilps (Pittsburgh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Anthony Zanetta (Pittsburgh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Punxsutawney-Steven Cressley (Clarion) Jr
Pennsylvania, Schnecksville-Mike Ottinger (Central Michigan) Fr
Pennsylvania, Selinsgrove-Spencer Myers (Maryland) So
Pennsylvania, South Burrell-Shane Welsh (Lehigh) Jr
Pennsylvania, State College-Steve Bosak (Cornell) Jr
Pennsylvania, Tyrone-Aaron Schopp (Edinboro) Fr
Pennsylvania, Waynesburg-Ethan Headlee (Pittsburgh) Sr
Pennsylvania, West Mifflin-James Fleming (Clarion) Jr
Pennsylvania, Wilkes-Barre-Justin Accordino (Hofstra) Sr
Pennsylvania, Wingate-Quentin Wright (Penn State) Jr
Iowa, Clear Lake-Joe Colon (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Council Bluffs-George Ivanov (Boise State) Jr
Iowa, Davenport-Blayne Beale (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Denver-Levi Wolfensperger (Northern Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Des Moines-Montell Marion (Iowa) Sr
Iowa, Des Moines-John Nicholson (Old Dominion) So
Iowa, Iowa City-Grant Gambrall (Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Marion-Matt McDonough (Iowa) Jr
Iowa, Parnell-Derek St. John (Iowa) So
Iowa, Sheldon-Josh Ihnen (Nebraska) Jr
Iowa, Woden-Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State) Sr
Pennsylvania, Auburn-Josh Kindig (Oklahoma State) So
Pennsylvania, Bellefonte-Mitchell Port (Edinboro) Fr
Pennsylvania, Belle Vernon-PJ Tasser (Pittsburgh) So
Pennsylvania, Bethlehem-Brandon Palik (Drexel) So
Pennsylvania, Bloomsburg-Colt Fought (NC State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Broomall-Richard Durso (Franklin & Marshall) Fr
Pennsylvania, Camp Hill-Bryan Ortenzio (Penn) Sr
Pennsylvania, Coopersburg-Kyle John (Maryland) Sr
Pennsylvania, Dalmatia-Jon Fausey (Virginia) So
Pennsylvania, East Greenville-Zack Kemmerer (Penn) Sr
Pennsylvania, Easton, Mike McMullan (Northwestern) Fr
Pennsylvania, Easton-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State) Jr
Pennsylvania, Easton-Jimmy Sheptock (Maryland) So
Pennsylvania, Eighty-Four-Matt Ryan (West Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Enola-Mike Evans (Iowa) Fr
Pennsylvania, Greenville-Mason Beckman (Lehigh) Fr
Pennsylvania, Greenville-Ben Clymer (Hofstra) Sr
Pennsylvania, Harleysville-Brian Tanen (Lehigh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Tony Dallago (Illinois) So
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Walter Peppelman (Harvard) Jr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Marshall Peppelman (Cornell) Fr
Pennsylvania, Harrisburg-Ed Ruth (Penn State) So
Pennsylvania, Jeanette-Shane Young (West Virginia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Johnstown-Tanner Hough (Duke) Fr
Pennsylvania, Latrobe-Nathan Pennesi (West Virginia) So
Pennsylvania, Lewisburg-Nathaniel Brown (Lehigh) Fr
Pennsylvania, Lewistown-Nic Bedelyon (Kent State) Sr
Pennsylvania, Lewistown-Matt Snyder (Virginia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Littlestown-Tyler Small (Kent State) So
Pennsylvania, Meadville-Shelton Mack (Pittsburgh) So
Pennsylvania, Mechanicsburg-Tristan Warner (Old Dominion) So
Pennsylvania, Mercer-Seth Creasy (Lock Haven) Sr
Pennsylvania, Middletown-Tyler Nauman (Pittsburgh) Sr
Pennsylvania, Milford-Joe Kennedy (Lehigh) Sr
Pennsylvania, Mill Hall-Dylan Alton (Penn State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Mountaintop-Jake O'Hara (Columbia) Jr
Pennsylvania, Mount Joy-Austin Miller (Bucknell) Fr
Pennsylvania, Murrysville-Nico Megaludis (Penn State) Fr
Pennsylvania, Nazareth-Zach Horan (Central Michigan) Fr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Geoff Alexander (Maryland) Fr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Garrett Frey (Princeton) Jr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Frank Martellotti (Penn State) So
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Matt Nelson (Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Nick Nelson (Virginia) Sr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Matt Wilps (Pittsburgh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh-Anthony Zanetta (Pittsburgh) Jr
Pennsylvania, Punxsutawney-Steven Cressley (Clarion) Jr
Pennsylvania, Schnecksville-Mike Ottinger (Central Michigan) Fr
Pennsylvania, Selinsgrove-Spencer Myers (Maryland) So
Pennsylvania, South Burrell-Shane Welsh (Lehigh) Jr
Pennsylvania, State College-Steve Bosak (Cornell) Jr
Pennsylvania, Tyrone-Aaron Schopp (Edinboro) Fr
Pennsylvania, Waynesburg-Ethan Headlee (Pittsburgh) Sr
Pennsylvania, West Mifflin-James Fleming (Clarion) Jr
Pennsylvania, Wilkes-Barre-Justin Accordino (Hofstra) Sr
Pennsylvania, Wingate-Quentin Wright (Penn State) Jr
hawkfarmer
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YOWSA. That's a lot of talent. And only 1 PA kid at Iowa. Crazy.
HawkForce
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Exactly why I think Cael is about to go on a "Gable run"
pin2win
@hagertony
compare wrestling recruits to football recruits cept there are only 9 scholys to give out what the hawks have been able to accomplish in years past is remarkable and to be contending for years to come will prove why brands and co are the best out there...penn state will fizzle once ppl realize they are only going to penn state because of caels accomplishments not because he is a good coach
I agree. Penn State has some pretty good momentum right now but that's not guaranteed to continue indefinitely. Cael's coming off an incredible collegiate and Olympic career so his success may be a little more recent and fresh in recruits minds since many watched first hand his success. That momentum and "star power" some recruits might associate him with will fade and guys will be looking more at how he is as a coach and how he can develop his recruits. He struck gold with some young phenoms that frankly could probably be top 3 with any coach in their corner and is experiencing the resulting success as a team. There's no doubt in my mind Iowa has the best coaching staff at developing wrestlers and will always be contending for titles because of it. It seems championships are more cyclical and Penn State is having their time. With the core Iowa has and the recruits they're bringing in, I think they'll regain the thrown very soon if not this year.
HawkForce
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But I mean Ferentz sells "Come to Iowa I will develop you into a chance to make millions at the next level"
Wrestling really doesn't have that to sell...I mean you can go to the olympics sure...or MMA or something I guess....but there really is no "next level" is there?
I mean might Cael's accomplishments be enough to lure recruits? You get enough studs you will win titles...success breeds success.
T.O.M. has Lehigh as #1 and Iowa #2 but with the amount of scholarship money I'm speculating they had available based on who is graduating, I think Iowa put together a perfect class based on their needs. If they could still add another good heavyweight late, it'd be icing on the cake!
pin2win
@hagertony
iowa has 4 wrestlers in the overall top 25 committed and penn state has one its a great recruiting class as far as nationally ranked wrestlers
pin2win
@hagertony
can't stop picturing a byers in there...i need to get that out of my head lol!
Help me out pumpdog. PennSt, Iowa, And Minnesota, had eight wrestlers finish 5th or better. Are the eight points your talking about coming from 133 and 141# for PennSt? If so, it wasn't eight, it was seven. You get a point for finishing seventh but you don't get the extra half a point. I see where your coming from because the 133 and 141# for PennSt will have bad seeds. I do think the Dardanes kid will score some points for Minnesota at 133 but not all american.
PSU had two who finished 7th according to the Purdue site. I used the tournament guide from BHGP where they seventh gets 4 points.
There are a ton of D1 colleges around the Penn area, the good kids that aren't great can still go to a D1 college. The good not great kids from Iowa stick around and wrestle D3.
