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Section136

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In pro sports the team with the worst record receives the highest draft pick in the following draft. (NBA is the exception where the worst team has the best chance of winning the highest pick in the lottery).

The argument that always comes up for fans of teams that are having a poor year is do you cheer for your team to win as many games as possible or do you hope they lose so they can draft as high as possible?

I am of the belief that I will always cheer for my teams to win as many games as possible, even though that may have severely hurt one of my teams, the Vikings, the last month.

They were awarded the 12th pick in draft after finishing 6-10. If they had not pulled a major upset at Philly in Week 16 and finished 5-11 they would have received the 6th pick. That is a huge difference and with the glaring hole at the QB position it will be hard to find a QB worth the 12th pick as Luck and Mallett will be off the board.

What would you do? Root for your team to win or hope they get the highest draft pick possible?
 
Highest draft pick. You have to root for whatever gives you team the best shot to win a title. I rooted against the Cubs the last two months of the year last year.
 
Section136 said:
In pro sports the team with the worst record receives the highest draft pick in the following draft. (NBA is the exception where the worst team has the best chance of winning the highest pick in the lottery).

The argument that always comes up for fans of teams that are having a poor year is do you cheer for your team to win as many games as possible or do you hope they lose so they can draft as high as possible?

I am of the belief that I will always cheer for my teams to win as many games as possible, even though that may have severely hurt one of my teams, the Vikings, the last month.

They were awarded the 12th pick in draft after finishing 6-10. If they had not pulled a major upset at Philly in Week 16 and finished 5-11 they would have received the 6th pick. That is a huge difference and with the glaring hole at the QB position it will be hard to find a QB worth the 12th pick as Luck and Mallett will be off the board.

What would you do? Root for your team to win or hope they get the highest draft pick possible?
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QB is probably the least of the Vikings concerns right now. Offensive line, an awful secondary, an aging d-line, and Greenway being a free agent are also pretty big concerns.

If you've got competent people in your front office, where your team sits in the draft doesn't matter, and you don't need to look any further than Green Bay to see that.
 
In the NFL with the draft selection and the scheduling, the worse you are the fewer external obstacles you have to overcome. Obviously if you suck then you suck, but in the vikings case i think rooting for the team to lose would have been ok.

Here is what you do, you openly cheer for your team to win, but when they lose you look at the positive from it. It is a win-win for a losing team.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
QB is probably the least of the Vikings concerns right now. Offensive line, an awful secondary, an aging d-line, and Greenway being a free agent are also pretty big concerns.
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Not really what this thread was about Shada but we can discuss. I agree that OL is a huge concern for the Vikes and think that is where they will use the 12th pick. I think they can piece together a secondary when Griffin and Cook are healthy next year and that will allow them to move Winfield to safety.

They will let Pat Williams and Ray Edwards walk and still have Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Everson Griffen, Jimmy Kennedy and Letroy Guion have looked serviceable this year and will make for a formidable D-Line.

Greenway and Sidney Rice will be their free agent priorities and will both re-sign.

If they had the 6th pick there is a decent chance that Mallett would have been available and you cannot pass on a talent like his if you have the Vikings QB situation. Thats why winning the Philly game may have hurt the franchise. This team will have 1 QB on its roster soon and that will be Joe Webb. They will not resign Tarvaris Jackson. I dont understand how you could say that QB is the least of their concerns.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
QB is probably the least of the Vikings concerns right now. Offensive line, an awful secondary, an aging d-line, and Greenway being a free agent are also pretty big concerns.

If you've got competent people in your front office, where your team sits in the draft doesn't matter, and you don't need to look any further than Green Bay to see that.
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ummmm what?
 
Section136 said:
Not really what this thread was about Shada but we can discuss. I agree that OL is a huge concern for the Vikes and think that is where they will use the 12th pick. I think they can piece together a secondary when Griffin and Cook are healthy next year and that will allow them to move Winfield to safety.

They will let Pat Williams and Ray Edwards walk and still have Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Everson Griffen, Jimmy Kennedy and Letroy Guion have looked serviceable this year and will make for a formidable D-Line.

Greenway and Sidney Rice will be their free agent priorities and will both re-sign.

If they had the 6th pick there is a decent chance that Mallett would have been available and you cannot pass on a talent like his if you have the Vikings QB situation. Thats why winning the Philly game may have hurt the franchise. This team will have 1 QB on its roster soon and that will be Joe Webb. They will not resign Tarvaris Jackson. I dont understand how you could say that QB is the least of their concerns.
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I would think Blaine Gabbert would still be available. Also, don't guarantee that Carolina picks Luck first. They have Clausen who they like and have plenty of needs. there is always trades as well. But yes, I have cheered against my team when they have no shot. AKA the packers when they were 3-13 or whatever and got AJ hawk
 
In the NFL, higher draft picks can hurt a team's ability to rebuild. The first few picks end up making more money than 99% of the players in the League and you don't know if you are getting a good player or not. Three bad years in a row where you land a top 3 pick and you end up with 3 guys earning darn near as much as Peyton Manning, which hinders your ability in the free agent market. I think the new CBA will change this, but if it doesn't, the NFL should revise its draft policy so that teams get to pick where they want to draft in the first round based on record (so when Detroit is 0-16, they could decide they want to draft 15th or something and invest the savings in a free agent to help the team, too). Then, in years where the draft looks weaker, the good teams would be saddled with the huge early pick contracts.
 
Section136 said:
Not really what this thread was about Shada but we can discuss. I agree that OL is a huge concern for the Vikes and think that is where they will use the 12th pick. I think they can piece together a secondary when Griffin and Cook are healthy next year and that will allow them to move Winfield to safety.

They will let Pat Williams and Ray Edwards walk and still have Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Everson Griffen, Jimmy Kennedy and Letroy Guion have looked serviceable this year and will make for a formidable D-Line.

Greenway and Sidney Rice will be their free agent priorities and will both re-sign.

If they had the 6th pick there is a decent chance that Mallett would have been available and you cannot pass on a talent like his if you have the Vikings QB situation. Thats why winning the Philly game may have hurt the franchise. This team will have 1 QB on its roster soon and that will be Joe Webb. They will not resign Tarvaris Jackson. I dont understand how you could say that QB is the least of their concerns.
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They should have taken Josh Freeman 2 years ago when he was available like i was shouting at my tv. (can't beleive they didn't hear me) If Mallett is there they have to take him, i would even me in favor of moving up to get him. If it's not mallet then I would love to see them take Prince Amukamara or one of the available offensive linemen.

And if that's the case they have to go out and sign McNabb.
 
In the NFL I'd root for my team to lose to get a higher draft pick. In 2005 Green Bay was one of the worst teams in the league and I rooted against them down the stretch. The won a meaningless game against Seattle in week 17 that gave them the 5th pick instead of the 3rd pick had they lost.

Yes its weird but for the lone term of the franchise a higher pick is better. Particularly if you are in that top 5 range.

While I'm not sure there's a huge difference between the 12th pick and the 15th pick, when your talking about being in the top 5 or so, the difference of 1 spot can be the difference between Payton Manning and Ryan Leaf.
 
hawkfarmer said:
I would think Blaine Gabbert would still be available. Also, don't guarantee that Carolina picks Luck first. They have Clausen who they like and have plenty of needs. there is always trades as well. But yes, I have cheered against my team when they have no shot. AKA the packers when they were 3-13 or whatever and got AJ hawk
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Carolina may not take Luck, but he will be gone by #12. I dont think Gabbert is worth the 12th pick and if Mallett is off the board I think the Vikings have to look elsewhere for the 12th pick. Here are the teams the pick ahead of the Vikings:

1- Carolina- Have Jimmy Clausen, also have needs all over.

2- Broncos- Drafted Tebow in 1st round last year. Will not take QB

3- Bills- Depends on if they think Fitzpatrick is long term answer

4- Bengals- Could cut Palmer, have lots of needs

5- Cardinals- Need a QB

6- Browns- Have Colt McCoy

7-49ers- Desperately need a QB

8- Titans- Kerry Collins and Vince Young are not the answer

9- Cowboys- No QB need

10- Redskins- McNabb is probably gone, Grossman the back up.

11- Texans- terrible defense and have Matt Schaub
 
okeefe4prez said:
In the NFL, higher draft picks can hurt a team's ability to rebuild. The first few picks end up making more money than 99% of the players in the League and you don't know if you are getting a good player or not. Three bad years in a row where you land a top 3 pick and you end up with 3 guys earning darn near as much as Peyton Manning, which hinders your ability in the free agent market. I think the new CBA will change this, but if it doesn't, the NFL should revise its draft policy so that teams get to pick where they want to draft in the first round based on record (so when Detroit is 0-16, they could decide they want to draft 15th or something and invest the savings in a free agent to help the team, too). Then, in years where the draft looks weaker, the good teams would be saddled with the huge early pick contracts.
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That is a good point, which is why you often see the best franchises stockpiling later picks (NE) rather than stretching for a need. I think that is high on the list for the CBA, and that will change how people look at the draft. People won't run from the top picks as much if there is a set dollar amt for each slot. But then again, the draft will always be a gamble. When you win, you love it, when you lose it sucks. I doubt that the Colts feel the same way about it as the 49ers do.
 
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Here's my stance, I hate the way the NFL draft is set up to reward failure. I think the team that wins the super bowl should get the top pick and the super bowl loser the second pick and so on. But since that will never happen, I think they should use a lottery system for all 32 teams, at least in the first round. You could still pick the same way you do now rounds 2-7, with the worst team having the first pick. But this would reward teams for being successful, and give the top college players a chance to be on a good team right away.
 
okeefe4prez said:
In the NFL, higher draft picks can hurt a team's ability to rebuild. The first few picks end up making more money than 99% of the players in the League and you don't know if you are getting a good player or not. Three bad years in a row where you land a top 3 pick and you end up with 3 guys earning darn near as much as Peyton Manning, which hinders your ability in the free agent market. I think the new CBA will change this, but if it doesn't, the NFL should revise its draft policy so that teams get to pick where they want to draft in the first round based on record (so when Detroit is 0-16, they could decide they want to draft 15th or something and invest the savings in a free agent to help the team, too). Then, in years where the draft looks weaker, the good teams would be saddled with the huge early pick contracts.
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Exactly so. It killed teams like the 49ers, Browns and Raiders. Of course the Raiders do it to themselves so that is no big surprise. I don't even like my team (Chiefs) to have a top 3 pick for the risk of sucking for many years....ahh ****. Too late.
 
I understand rooting against the Vikings, but it's tough to expect them to roll over even if it's in their long-term best interest. Leslie Frazier was coaching for his job and the players were fighting for a roster spot/contract, even if it's on another team. That's why the NFL has never had the tanking problems that the NBA has had-- with no guaranteed contracts, everyone always has a good reason to give their all. Plus the #1 pick is much less likely to turn your entire franchise around the way it often does in the NBA, and the talent pool is much deeper-- guys drafted in the fourth round of the NFL draft often start, while second round NBA draft picks only make the team about half of the time. 5-6 picks in either direction probably won't make a huge difference-- and if it does, just trade up.
 
Section136 said:
Carolina may not take Luck, but he will be gone by #12. I dont think Gabbert is worth the 12th pick and if Mallett is off the board I think the Vikings have to look elsewhere for the 12th pick. Here are the teams the pick ahead of the Vikings:

1- Carolina- Have Jimmy Clausen, also have needs all over.

2- Broncos- Drafted Tebow in 1st round last year. Will not take QB

3- Bills- Depends on if they think Fitzpatrick is long term answer

4- Bengals- Could cut Palmer, have lots of needs

5- Cardinals- Need a QB

6- Browns- Have Colt McCoy

7-49ers- Desperately need a QB

8- Titans- Kerry Collins and Vince Young are not the answer

9- Cowboys- No QB need

10- Redskins- McNabb is probably gone, Grossman the back up.

11- Texans- terrible defense and have Matt Schaub
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In my mind, Mallett and even Gabbert are better options than all of the above for the future other than maybe Schaub.

I think this is going to be a good year for QB's. Maybe not 1983 good, but good.
 
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