What if Wisky goes 12-0 and misses out on NC Game?

CAARHawk said:
OKAY:

I give. I shouldn't have said "Cakewalk". Is that good enough to get you kids to go back to your own sandbox?

This is a question about the B1G and whether being odd man out would make them think twice about the current system.

Why did I bring up the question? Because, I think there is no way Wisky would pass either an undefeated OU, or an undefeated SEC team.
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I think pretty much everyone who can reason sees Wisco getting left out against other undefeated teams.

I think it just takes a little more insight to see that Wisco could and should be left out against several other possible 1 loss candidates as well.
 
Cyclones17 said:
Jon what do you think if LSU is 12-1 and just won the SEC championship. Should they get in over a 13-0 Wisconsin team? At first I say no, but than you compare schedules and you think yes. What say you?
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I say no to this. It's undefeated v. undefeated if you have them no debate there. I think the undefeated rankings should go like this:

1 Alabama/LSU
2 Oklahoma
3a Clemson
3b Wisky

Clemson is flat out dominating people, and they don't have much left in their way, but again it's a SOS thing here.
 
Cyclones17 said:
Jon what do you think if LSU is 12-1 and just won the SEC championship. Should they get in over a 13-0 Wisconsin team? At first I say no, but than you compare schedules and you think yes. What say you?
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No. No undefeated BCS team will/should be passed over for a one loss team.

I agree that Wisconsin is likely to be the odd man out when compared to just about every other unbeaten though.
 
Clark said:
No. No undefeated BCS team will/should be passed over for a one loss team.

I agree that Wisconsin is likely to be the odd man out when compared to just about every other unbeaten though.
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Probably not but that team would have a strong case. I predicted Wisconsin vs Bama in the title game so I'm sticking with it but a 1 loss OU team or LSU team would have to be a little ****** that Wisconsin made it over them.

It's pretty similiar to when Boise goes undefeated. Boise's SOS will be similiar to Wisconsin this year
 
notafan said:
Man you have some seriously flawed logic. OU currently has 6 ranked opponents on their schedule including a non-con against Florida St. Alabama has 5 ranked including non-con against Penn St. Wisky has 2 ranked and their non-con consists of UNLV,Oregon St.,N.Illinois, and S.Dakota........SOS will absolutely sway the BCS to take either of those teams over Wisconsin. Being a super conference isn't gonna help much either because that just waters down the schedule even more, not playing some good teams in the other division of their own conference.
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Being a superconference would help, because it would lead to a defacto playoff system. The B1G hasn't had to worry about that because they have always got their undefeated teams in the NC game. But, this year it would definitely be different.

Look back to the beginning of the BCS. It started because the upstart Fiesta Bowl bought a NC game between independent PSU and Miami. Before that game, no way the B1G/Rose Bowl make the BCS agreement. That game not only got the BCS started, but probably also got PSU in the B1G.
 
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Cyclones17 said:
Probably not but that team would have a strong case. I predicted Wisconsin vs Bama in the title game so I'm sticking with it but a 1 loss OU team or LSU team would have to be a little ****** that Wisconsin made it over them.

It's pretty similiar to when Boise goes undefeated. Boise's SOS will be similiar to Wisconsin this year
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Shouldn't have lost. It wouldn't be the first time a team felt they were getting screwed.
 
CAARHawk said:
Could be very possible if OU goes through their mostly B12 schedule undefeated and Bama or LSU ends up undefeated.

Does this start Delaney to be a little more aggressive in the superconference process?
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Well, if those 3 teams end up undefeated, then Wisc should be the one left out. There non-conf schedule was a joke, and the B1G isn't exactly looking impressive this year.

I really don't think that Delaney has any interest in the B1G being a super-conference right now and Wisc being left out of the championship probably wouldn't change his mind. Perhaps Wisc should actually play someone 1/2-*** decent in the non-conf...
 
CAARHawk said:
Being a superconference would help, because it would lead to a defacto playoff system. The B1G hasn't had to worry about that because they have always got their undefeated teams in the NC game. But, this year it would definitely be different.

Look back to the beginning of the BCS. It started because the upstart Fiesta Bowl bought a NC game between independent PSU and Miami. Before that game, no way the B1G/Rose Bowl make the BCS agreement. That game not only got the BCS started, but probably also got PSU in the B1G.
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Unless they go to a full blown playoff, superconferences are not going to help because the BCS still puts a HUGE emphasis on SOS. And if Wisconsin is not playing some of the better teams on the other side of the conference in any given year (which could include Michigan,MSU, Nebby, or Iowa), their SOS still does not improve, even with a championship game.
 
Clark said:
What exactly is the problem with them posting in this thread? Especially considering they're right. OU's schedule is significantly better than UW's. Part of that is UW's embarrasing non-conf schedule and part of it is the Big 10 is down this year. If OSU and PSU were what they're supposed to be, Wisconsin wouldn't have any issues. Because they're not, Wisconsin doesn't have any huge games left.
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Didn't realize we were on an ISU board or talking about those losers right now?
 
Cyclones17 said:
Probably not but that team would have a strong case. I predicted Wisconsin vs Bama in the title game so I'm sticking with it but a 1 loss OU team or LSU team would have to be a little ****** that Wisconsin made it over them.

It's pretty similiar to when Boise goes undefeated. Boise's SOS will be similiar to Wisconsin this year
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That is just a flat out stupid comment, if a 1 LOSS team has a problem with an undefeated team coming from the B1G being in the Nat title game over them they got more problems than just that...of course if they didn't lose any games they wouldn't have that problem.
 
Cyclones17 said:
Jon what do you think if LSU is 12-1 and just won the SEC championship. Should they get in over a 13-0 Wisconsin team? At first I say no, but than you compare schedules and you think yes. What say you?
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They'd have a more compelling case than anyone I could think of. It would be hard for me not to vote them in if I had a vote, in that scenario.

LSU would probably be no worse than #3 or #4 in the polls in that instance..and the computers may like them just as much if not more than Wisconsin. But if Wisconsin is ahead of LSU in both polls at that time, the computer blend would only hurt Wisconsin if there was a huge gap...and I bet there would not be. Wisky has a nice 'poll position' now where if they win out, they will be no worse than third...but they will need Bama and LSU to each lose once and Oklahoma to lose once, and win out.
 
Cyclones17 said:
hawkfarmer said:
The problem with the B12 is we don't know how good these teams are cause they don't really play anyone. and now they jsut play with themselves (enuedno intended). We won't really know how good OSU, Kstate, A&M, Baylor really are. Or Texas for that matter. I too think the big 10 is weak this year, but the B12 always is.
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Check out the Big 12's record in non conference games. Compare it to the Big 10's. Than compare the SOS the teams played. Than tell me which conference is better this year. Not even up for discussion this year. And the Big 12 has never been weak.
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Oh is that why everyone is just dying to be in the big 12?? I never knew it was such a great conference... Boy you gotta be pretty lucky to be apart if it.
 
I actually agree with the Cyclone fans. Wisconsin's schedule is embarrassing. They can't help that Nebraska is overrated and Ohio State is down because of all the off-field stuff, but their OOC slate was pathetic. That is on them.

Oklahoma played Florida State, and the Big 12 is pretty good this year. LSU played Oregon and West Virginia, and the SEC is always tough (plus they play in the West, which is REALLY loaded). Bama would have the weakest resume of the three in an undefeated campaign, as their OOC schedule wasn't very impressive. But again, they play in the SEC West, and also play Florida. They don't need a strong OOC slate.

Cyclones17 said:
Check out the Big 12's record in non conference games.

Compare it to the Big 10's.

Than compare the SOS the teams played. Than tell me which conference is better this year. Not even up for discussion this year. And the Big 12 has never been weak.
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The Big 12 has been weak before. For years it was OU and Texas, and then one team from the North that was pretty good (Nebraska for a while, K-State after that, and Mizzou after that). It's deeper now, and IMO pretty strong. But it has been generally weak for a good portion of the past decade. Very top-heavy.
 
CGHawk said:
Oh is that why everyone is just dying to be in the big 12?? I never knew it was such a great conference... Boy you gotta be pretty lucky to be apart if it.
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Technically the Big 12 is a way better football conference on the field. In the board rooms, different story. They have a **** poor financial situation with the way revenues are set up......i.e. Texas getting the lion's share of the money. Kinda the rich get richer scenerio.
 
There is basically one spot in the NC game open.

The winner of the SEC Championship (even with 1 loss is going to be ranked higher than any undefeated team outside of Oklahoma) has one spot locked up right now unless it has two losses.

Then it comes down to the best non SEC team. Right now it looks like Oklahoma, OSU, Clemson, & Wisconsin.
 
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