Motigerhawk
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Then we shouldnt play the games. And just base everyones record on historical fact. J
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Then we shouldnt play the games. And just base everyones record on historical fact. J
InGoodCo
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No, we should play em... doesn't change the fact that it's been a tough place to win for Iowa lately. I don't like losing this game more than anyone else. It's just tough to come here and read all these crazy takes.... like Iowa never being able to run the ball over the last 20 years.
MelroseHawkins
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Yea, seems like a tough place to pull a win out for some reason. I think it's more the way the played and not so much losing there. Like the Penn St. loss kind of felt good even though it sucks to lose. Mich. St. loss not so much.
Motigerhawk
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Maybe you should get your reading comprehension on the same level as your knowledge of historical fact.
I said we have run the same scheme for 20 years. Everyone knows what is coming.
Here is a line from Leistikow's article today. It is to my point.
"Second run call: Backed up to its own 9-yard line, offensive coordinator Brian Ferentz called an outside zone run to the right. The first problem was, Michigan State saw it coming. When tight end Noah Fant came in motion right, three of the Spartans’ four down linemen shifted left. That left nobody directly in front of Myers at left guard."
Could be wrong but it seemed as though we ran one mis-direction play all game. That was the fake "punt" with a pass completion....weird that it worked.
SpiderRico
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1. I agree that the run game this year is terrible. We have won 131 games in the last 16 years with this run game. It works when the OL is working.
2. This isn't exactly true. When we audible, it's because teams purposely load up the wide side, which causes us to audible to the short side.
3. Agree
4. Completely disagree. Our passing game schemes are as good as they've been in years. We constantly have guys wide open and we have had more guys open deep than I can recall. Young receivers are just dropping passes and Stanley is completely missing the deep ball. But the schemes are working. Running game is more a result of OL continuity issues than schemes.
5. Quality control can't fix a bad punter or a true freshman punter. I can't tell you what the heck Jackson is doing on punt returns....
6. Completely disagree. We have the talent to do some things offensively after the bye...especially if we can keep the OL healthy. Getting an extra week to work on QB/WR timing will help as well. Looking for good things after the bye....
Motigerhawk
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I will agree with you on our passing game. It is different and better.
BUT we are very predictable. And we cant afford to be. I think BF is still bending to the will of his Dad. I was hoping this would change.
I stand by my statement. Running that pitch against PsU was a terrible call. And that is just one that sticks out.
He is still learning. But I wish he had at a different school.
BUT we are very predictable. And we cant afford to be. I think BF is still bending to the will of his Dad. I was hoping this would change.
I stand by my statement. Running that pitch against PsU was a terrible call. And that is just one that sticks out.
He is still learning. But I wish he had at a different school.
Lol, you said Brian was as qualified as any in P5...thanks for that, I haven't laughed that hard in awhile.
ArvadaHawk
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NC, I'm siding with the OL run blocking. I think they continuously out manned and they are only human. The OL coach; well, I think the pass pro is better this season than last. I ain't pinning anything on the new OL coach, at this point. Stanley does need to work on his accuracy on deep throws. Agree with you on the D; they're covering up their own warts well. Iowa doesn't have any mystery to what they do. that gives the opponents a leg up in strategy right from jump street. I do think recruiting has improved at skill positions and I think ISM and IKM are legit.
SpiderRico
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Pitch was an unnecessary risk, absolutely.
But I disagree on predictability. If you look at our run pass ratios out of different formations this year, we are way out of tendency. We've passed more out of Ace sets this year than in last 5 years combined. In addition, many of our big pass plays have happened out of 2TE + 1FB sets...which used to be 90+% run.
However, when it comes to the running game, I do agree that the running plays themselves are too predictable...and our audibles (albeit with a green QB) are entirely too predictable.
But our passing game schemes are definitely an upgrade...just have to eliminate drops and missed long balls...
Seth53
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Since the "modern" era (when Fry took over), Iowa has won @ MSU in....
1980
1982
1986
1988 (tie)
1990
1995
2009
2012
http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Iowa.htm
2. If defenses know we're going to react a certain way to the formation they show, we're not doing it right. It would be too easy for them to learn to beat us. We'd be better off just getting rid of the audibles all together or maybe just use only fake audibles. That might confuse them.
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They are to quick to call audibles. Sometimes I think other teams move players around on defense after Iowa is set just to get them to call an audible. IMO, they even are more predictable when they change plays at the line of scrimmage.
Especially against MSU. . Northwestern does the same thing. I think they may have moles in the Iowa football program because it seems like those two teams know exactly what Iowa is going to do 7 out of 10 plays.
Especially against MSU. . Northwestern does the same thing. I think they may have moles in the Iowa football program because it seems like those two teams know exactly what Iowa is going to do 7 out of 10 plays.
InGoodCo
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"The running game is terrible. It is the same thing everyone on the planet has seen for 20 years." I think I read that just fine. I do blame the players first, they are the ones playing the game.
InGoodCo
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He is - being the offensive assistant and tight end coach in New England for 3 years and Oline coach at a P5 school 4 years is more qualified then you'll see in a lot of places.
deanvogs
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Jim Leonard is the DC for Wisconsin after 1 year of position coaching experience. Hired as DB coach by Wisconsin in 2017. Promoted to DC for Wisconsin 2017.
Fryowa
Administrator
Hawks gonna Hawk, guys.
We're the Cubs of NCAA football and that isn't going to change in our lifetimes.
In any given decade this team has one stellar/lucky year, seven or so yawner seasons, and a couple tire fire years. Ferentzball is what Bruce and more importantly the donors want and they're going to have it for a long time. It's squeaky clean, corn-fed bumpkin football and that's more than good enough for the people making decisions here.
This isn't Clemson or Alabama where football is the only worthwhile gig. Iowa is an academic/research institution first and football, while popular with Iowans, isn't at the front of the radar no matter what the small group of hardcore fans wants.
We're the Cubs of NCAA football and that isn't going to change in our lifetimes.
In any given decade this team has one stellar/lucky year, seven or so yawner seasons, and a couple tire fire years. Ferentzball is what Bruce and more importantly the donors want and they're going to have it for a long time. It's squeaky clean, corn-fed bumpkin football and that's more than good enough for the people making decisions here.
This isn't Clemson or Alabama where football is the only worthwhile gig. Iowa is an academic/research institution first and football, while popular with Iowans, isn't at the front of the radar no matter what the small group of hardcore fans wants.
InGoodCo
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Ferentz rarely has a tire fire year, which is what has kept him employed. If these yawner seasons are so boring, ya know 7 to 8 wins, then why do so many programs around the country fail to even meet them on a regular basis? If Iowa is routinely going to be lumped in with Alabama, then I guess I get why people are upset. If Iowa has to win at their clip to keep people happy, I say fire em all every season we fail to win 10 games and see where that ends up putting Iowa in a few seasons.
Fryowa
Administrator
2000 - 3-9
2007 - 6-6 Lost to Iowa Sate, Indiana by 18, Purdue by 25, Western Michigan to close out the season. 11 Players got arrested that year.
2012 - 4-8 overall, 2-6 B1G. Lost 6 in a row to finish the year, two of them to Purdue and Indiana who both finished well below .500
So there's 3 of them in 2 decades, and that's ignoring his first year, as well as 2006 when Iowa went 2-6 B1G and lost 6 of their last 7 to close out. I could include that one too. I never said he has them all the time.
It's math, yo. Why do so many teams exceed 7 to 8 wins on a regular basis then?
A normal distribution pretty much dictates that there will be a bunch of teams above and below 7-8 wins which although they're above .500, don't figure into any conference (let alone national) titles, and to me don't mean much. Competing for a spot at the Piggly Wiggly Bowl isn't exactly a success story in my book, hence the yawner. If you feel different about what makes a successful season, that's fine. Like Dave Mason said, "We just disagree."
As far as, "what about all the other teams..." that's diverting the argument away from the topic which is the Hawkeyes' long term mediocrity.
If you read my post I never lumped Iowa in with Alabama; quite the contrary. I specifically said that Iowa is not an Alabama type school which is why 7 wins is accepted with nary a whisper on campus.
Now we're getting somewhere. I understand your sarcasm, but you're also proving my point. No one expects us to win at that clip, and the rub is that if we chose to play musical coaches like Nebraska we'd be in an even worse spot. Which is why this team is the way it is, and won't be changing soon.
