Weiskamp, Moss, Dailey

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NikeHawk21

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Against a lessor opponent Wednesday I’d like to see these three get their offensive games going.

We have plenty of interior scoring with Cook, Garza, and Kriener. I have no doubt that JBo will get his shooting stroke going, but I do think it’s very important for these three to provide some scoring punch from the guard and wing spots.

Weiskamp struggled on offense in NYC, but is probably best suited to score at multiple levels, from behind the arc and near the bucket. His size, athleticism, and body control are very good, he just needs to get a feel for when is the right time to drive it or shoot it.

Moss I would like to see attempt at least 4 threes a game. He’s just over 3 attempts right now. At this point that should be his role.

Dailey (and Moss for that matter) has lost minutes due to the strong play of Connor. He’s got some offensive game, so it would be nice to see him get that going when he’s in there. Right now he’s attempted the least amount of shots of the players who have played in all 4 games, by 6 shots. He’s letting the game come to him and doesn’t make a lot of mistakes so he’s been a quality role player to this point, more scoring would just be a bonus.
 
Wieskamp will be fine. He only shot the ball twice against UConn, so its not like he was trying to force his shots up or anything. The good thing is that Wieskamp shouldn't feel forced to score this year....Iowa already returns a really good offense. Scoring points won't be a problem for this team. His turnovers are worrying though, but that's what happens as you adjust to the college game.

Moss so far is shooting his exact 3-point average from last year, 38.5%. Where he struggles is consistency...he's shooting only 25% from the field so far. However, he's an excellent free throw shooter so I'd rather he did more than just camp out at the 3 point line, he should be attacking the basket and getting to the line.

Dailey: He is what he is....a reserve and a role player. With Connor and Wieskamp swallowing up minutes at the guard spots, his role is greatly diminished from last year.
 
mopkins said:
Wieskamp will be fine. He only shot the ball twice against UConn, so its not like he was trying to force his shots up or anything. The good thing is that Wieskamp shouldn't feel forced to score this year....Iowa already returns a really good offense. Scoring points won't be a problem for this team. His turnovers are worrying though, but that's what happens as you adjust to the college game.

Moss so far is shooting his exact 3-point average from last year, 38.5%. Where he struggles is consistency...he's shooting only 25% from the field so far. However, he's an excellent free throw shooter so I'd rather he did more than just camp out at the 3 point line, he should be attacking the basket and getting to the line.

Dailey: He is what he is....a reserve and a role player. With Connor and Wieskamp swallowing up minutes at the guard spots, his role is greatly diminished from last year.
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Potential disgruntled player list:

#1 Pemsl

#2 Dailey

#3 Moss

#4 JB

Least disgruntled

#1 Nunge RS move
 
mopkins said:
Wieskamp will be fine. He only shot the ball twice against UConn, so its not like he was trying to force his shots up or anything. The good thing is that Wieskamp shouldn't feel forced to score this year....Iowa already returns a really good offense. Scoring points won't be a problem for this team. His turnovers are worrying though, but that's what happens as you adjust to the college game.

Moss so far is shooting his exact 3-point average from last year, 38.5%. Where he struggles is consistency...he's shooting only 25% from the field so far. However, he's an excellent free throw shooter so I'd rather he did more than just camp out at the 3 point line, he should be attacking the basket and getting to the line.

Dailey: He is what he is....a reserve and a role player. With Connor and Wieskamp swallowing up minutes at the guard spots, his role is greatly diminished from last year.
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Weiskamp doesn’t need to hunt shots on this team but if he provides a consistent scoring punch it would be huge.

Moss can attack the hoop in transition, but when he puts the ball on the deck in the half court it often ends in a turnover. He averaged double figures last year so we know he’s capable.

I think Dailey can earn more minutes. He’s one of only 3 regulars with a positive assist to turnover ratio. If Pemsl is out for some time and Baer is playing minutes at the 4 I think there could be enough minutes to go around in the backcourt. Dailey and Joe might be the best defenders of the group as well.
 
mopkins said:
Wieskamp will be fine. He only shot the ball twice against UConn, so its not like he was trying to force his shots up or anything. The good thing is that Wieskamp shouldn't feel forced to score this year....Iowa already returns a really good offense. Scoring points won't be a problem for this team. His turnovers are worrying though, but that's what happens as you adjust to the college game.

Moss so far is shooting his exact 3-point average from last year, 38.5%. Where he struggles is consistency...he's shooting only 25% from the field so far. However, he's an excellent free throw shooter so I'd rather he did more than just camp out at the 3 point line, he should be attacking the basket and getting to the line.

Dailey: He is what he is....a reserve and a role player. With Connor and Wieskamp swallowing up minutes at the guard spots, his role is greatly diminished from last year.
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I second every word of this... No reason to put him in any sort of position to where he thinks he has to force it. This team is plenty good at the offensive end with lots of good weapons. He can take the open looks when he has em and he'll have some good games and others not so much. But that'll be quite alright because he'll be contributing in other ways.

Moss is a skilled player that I wish could make better decisions with the ball sometimes. When he's on dude is a player. I don't mind some aggressive turnovers/mistakes here and there but gotta be able to pick your spots.

And yeah Dailey won't contribute a ton so long as we stay healthy in the backcourt. But he will be out there 5-10 mins a game maybe more just depending...
 
Hawkfnntn said:
I second every word of this... No reason to put him in any sort of position to where he thinks he has to force it. This team is plenty good at the offensive end with lots of good weapons. He can take the open looks when he has em and he'll have some good games and others not so much. But that'll be quite alright because he'll be contributing in other ways.

Moss is a skilled player that I wish could make better decisions with the ball sometimes. When he's on dude is a player. I don't mind some aggressive turnovers/mistakes here and there but gotta be able to pick your spots.

And yeah Dailey won't contribute a ton so long as we stay healthy in the backcourt. But he will be out there 5-10 mins a game maybe more just depending...
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I’m higher on Dailey than you guys which is fine. I just think he’s likely our best perimeter defender, can knock down the 3, can handle the ball, and doesn’t turn the ball over a bunch.

But the point of this thread in general is about getting confidence in all these guys. What do we always say in March?... guard play wins. We have the proven horses inside in Cook and Garza, so I feel this team will go as far as the guards can take them.
 
Dailey is a very good defender. In the zone with Connor running point and Dailey at the two...and Cook, Garza, and Weiskamp...that is a tough long zone to manage around. UCONN's guards couldn't penetrate it consistently and when they did...they were out of control or stopped. Guys are moving their feet better than I've ever seen from a Fran team.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I’m higher on Dailey than you guys which is fine. I just think he’s likely our best perimeter defender, can knock down the 3, can handle the ball, and doesn’t turn the ball over a bunch.

But the point of this thread in general is about getting confidence in all these guys. What do we always say in March?... guard play wins. We have the proven horses inside in Cook and Garza, so I feel this team will go as far as the guards can take them.
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I agree with your take on it being a guards game.. Whomever is primarily handling the ball/shooting it from outside the best tends to make runs in the tournaments when that time of year comes around...
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I’m higher on Dailey than you guys which is fine. I just think he’s likely our best perimeter defender, can knock down the 3, can handle the ball, and doesn’t turn the ball over a bunch.

But the point of this thread in general is about getting confidence in all these guys. What do we always say in March?... guard play wins. We have the proven horses inside in Cook and Garza, so I feel this team will go as far as the guards can take them.
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I wonder if people will still say guard play wins in March when 3 freshman forwards from Duke run everyone out of the gym.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I’m higher on Dailey than you guys which is fine. I just think he’s likely our best perimeter defender, can knock down the 3, can handle the ball, and doesn’t turn the ball over a bunch.

But the point of this thread in general is about getting confidence in all these guys. What do we always say in March?... guard play wins. We have the proven horses inside in Cook and Garza, so I feel this team will go as far as the guards can take them.
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Your focus is getting them confidence to score. I don't think they need it. In particular, Moss and Dailey's issues aren't willingness to pull the trigger; their issues are offensive skill and IQ, along with defensive focus and intensity. These guys are doing just fine with more limited - controlled - touches within their respective roles so that they don't become liabilities. JoeVice will be just fine - he'll have plenty of games where he's gonna get 2-doubles, as long as he recognizes the game flow and let's it happen.

To your point about guards in March - hears the deal ... Iowa is finally developing a solid identity around their strengths - Garza / Cook - and playing inside out. Kriener's solid and consistent contributions (so far) are pure gravy. This is who Iowa "is" and who they are finally "being", with more success. You only need to look back at the last 2 seasons to see how a guard-oriented offense has fared for the Hawks.

Don't worry about that old cliche. Hawks have demonstrated they can win when they are true to their strengths and play smart, within their skills / roles - and they've done it against 2 NCAA tourney teams that have strong guard talent. That's where Connor Mac has helped - he's the reliable QB, not a forced scorer - and he's running the team the way it ought to be run, which is through the bigs.
 
It seems like teams are really keying on stopping Weiskamp. He is the type of player that takes what the defense gives him. And this year we don't need to be an aggressive scorer all the time. But a little more aggressiveness from him with the ball would help. It seemed like he made a few bad plays in NYC and then he played less aggressive. He will get 8-10 points per game but it will be a sneaky 8-10 points this year at least.

Moss and Dailey are what they are at this point. Moss is inconsistent and seems to let it bother him when he struggles shooting. He isn't a great ball handler but we keep putting him in spots where he has to handle the ball. His skill is as a spot up shooter. He should shoot more. He is also a streaky shooter though.

Dailey is a role player that will have some good moments and play solid minutes other times. He plays good defense too.
 
STILLBUSTER said:
Your focus is getting them confidence to score. I don't think they need it. In particular, Moss and Dailey's issues aren't willingness to pull the trigger; their issues are offensive skill and IQ, along with defensive focus and intensity. These guys are doing just fine with more limited - controlled - touches within their respective roles so that they don't become liabilities. JoeVice will be just fine - he'll have plenty of games where he's gonna get 2-doubles, as long as he recognizes the game flow and let's it happen.

To your point about guards in March - hears the deal ... Iowa is finally developing a solid identity around their strengths - Garza / Cook - and playing inside out. Kriener's solid and consistent contributions (so far) are pure gravy. This is who Iowa "is" and who they are finally "being", with more success. You only need to look back at the last 2 seasons to see how a guard-oriented offense has fared for the Hawks.

Don't worry about that old cliche. Hawks have demonstrated they can win when they are true to their strengths and play smart, within their skills / roles - and they've done it against 2 NCAA tourney teams that have strong guard talent. That's where Connor Mac has helped - he's the reliable QB, not a forced scorer - and he's running the team the way it ought to be run, which is through the bigs.
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I disagree with most of this.

-Moss has offensive skill. He averaged over double figures for an entire season and scored 19 points in a two minute stretch last year. You can’t do those things without offensive skill.

-Iowa was not a guard oriented team last year. Not even close. We played forwards Nunge, Wagner, and Baer at the 3 spot. Last year 3 of our top 10 were guards, right now 5 of our top 9 are guards, probably why we are playing much better ball.

I agree that the strength of this team is still inside with Cook and Garza and that’s not going to change, but we will need quality guard play as well.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Weiskamp doesn’t need to hunt shots on this team but if he provides a consistent scoring punch it would be huge.

Moss can attack the hoop in transition, but when he puts the ball on the deck in the half court it often ends in a turnover. He averaged double figures last year so we know he’s capable.

I think Dailey can earn more minutes. He’s one of only 3 regulars with a positive assist to turnover ratio. If Pemsl is out for some time and Baer is playing minutes at the 4 I think there could be enough minutes to go around in the backcourt. Dailey and Joe might be the best defenders of the group as well.
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Wisecamp can really just rebound and run the break right now which is nice. No pressure to be the scorer. When you're struggling it's best to concentrate on easy baskets, rebounding, (something he excels at) and fastbreak opportunities. Dailey can come in as a defensive specialist on the other team's hot player. He's long enough and athletic enough to stick to a big or small scorer. That's how you work your way into the lineup this year for those two. Now Moss is a different story. If he continues to shoot poorly and play poor defense, there's really no reason to play him.
 
When a Wiescamp thread came up over the summer I said I wasn't going to judge him on stats. IIRC what I said was

Can he hold up physically against big ten play?
Can he perform in the moment?
Can he keep the lights dim enough?

That is where you want to see the growth and for a freshman hope that it's as linear as possible.
 
We don't have more than a crumb of data for Wieskamp at this point. He seems to be an all around player which is needed. Plus, unselfish.

The others have lots of games to evaluate. After 10-20 games, Wieskamp will give us a better look about his future, which seems to be bright.
 
earlhamhawk said:
Put 3 top 10 lottery picks on one team no matter what position and you better run a college team out of the gym with 3/5 of an NBA team even if I’m coaching
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Yeah I know...I just think the whole "guards win in March" thing is completely overblown. Does Michigan get to the championship game without Mo Wagner last year? Does Sparty win the National Title without Mo Peterson? Does Wisconsin go anywhere without Kaminksy or Dekker? Does Syracuse win without Carmelo? Does Florida win back to back titles without Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer? Does Kentucky win a title without Anthony Davis.

There are so many examples both ways...those were just off the top of my head. You win with your best players..regardless of position.
 
mopkins said:
Yeah I know...I just think the whole "guards win in March" thing is completely overblown. Does Michigan get to the championship game without Mo Wagner last year? Does Sparty win the National Title without Mo Peterson? Does Wisconsin go anywhere without Kaminksy or Dekker? Does Syracuse win without Carmelo? Does Florida win back to back titles without Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer? Does Kentucky win a title without Anthony Davis.

There are so many examples both ways...those were just off the top of my head. You win with your best players..regardless of position.
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Maybe it should be changed to "perimeter players win in March." Other than Noah, all the players mentioned had the ability to play on the perimeter.

It doesn't seem like anymore you can win if you have 3 NBA level post players and are weak at the guard or perimeter spots. Those teams mentioned all had solid guard play. Not necessarily their strength but it's part of how they won.

I think it's pretty clear from Iowa's record last season that having only one consistently solid guard isnt a very good recipe for success. Can it probably be done, yes. But, you need at least solid guard play from more than one or 2 players every night.
 
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