We need shooters.
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Do your numbers include games prior to Orr coming to ISU? (The magic thing did not start until Orr got there when the term was coined a couple of years into his tenure like 83 or 84). I think you are pulling your from RPI ratings. COm which goes back to when the building was open
Be curious to see what the Hilton numbers look comparing numbers since 1983 when I believe Carver was opened. Believe some guy named Olson was the coach when Carver was opened so they were a very good program from the start.
I know in ISU went 5-21 in 1971, 3-24 in 1976, 8-19 in 1977. The most wins they had prior to 1983 was 16 in one season. Most were below .500 I think 1 14-13 year.
If you are truly talking about the environment, only fair to compare numbers to when the environment was born, not when the building was opened.
I am guessing ISU moves up to a low to mid 80% win percentage if you do that.
sportstalent
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Just me being slow and not being able to comprehend some obvious things, but I gotta ask:
Don't teams normally play better and get some favorable calls at home, unless they are playing one of the true blueblood teams in college basketball?
I mean, someone please let me know if I am off base a little bit here, or if someone can paint me a picture or something to help, I would really appreciate it.
This thread began about Iowa needing shooters, of which I totally disagree. Here is what happened last night and I am going to keep it simple. There were two things that happened that changed the game last night. When ISU started hitting 3's Iowa became impatient and did the dribble, dribble, pass, shoot.
The second thing that happened, that totally affected the outcome was the front ends of 1-1 Iowa missed and closed the game missing its last four free throws.
Seriously folks, Iowa had control throughout most of the game, even when ISU was coming back, but here is the thing that bothers me the most about the game. White showed up in a huge way and is not given proper recognition for his game because Iowa lost of course. Why didn't Uthoff get the ball and be allowed to be put on the line toward the end? He seems to have the most pure stroke of all the Iowa players from the line and he closed out the Notre Dame game well. Yes we can all second guess things and blame whoever you want to blame, but I trust Uthoff at the line and nobody else at this point at the end of games.
Don't teams normally play better and get some favorable calls at home, unless they are playing one of the true blueblood teams in college basketball?
I mean, someone please let me know if I am off base a little bit here, or if someone can paint me a picture or something to help, I would really appreciate it.
This thread began about Iowa needing shooters, of which I totally disagree. Here is what happened last night and I am going to keep it simple. There were two things that happened that changed the game last night. When ISU started hitting 3's Iowa became impatient and did the dribble, dribble, pass, shoot.
The second thing that happened, that totally affected the outcome was the front ends of 1-1 Iowa missed and closed the game missing its last four free throws.
Seriously folks, Iowa had control throughout most of the game, even when ISU was coming back, but here is the thing that bothers me the most about the game. White showed up in a huge way and is not given proper recognition for his game because Iowa lost of course. Why didn't Uthoff get the ball and be allowed to be put on the line toward the end? He seems to have the most pure stroke of all the Iowa players from the line and he closed out the Notre Dame game well. Yes we can all second guess things and blame whoever you want to blame, but I trust Uthoff at the line and nobody else at this point at the end of games.
sportstalent
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So put Clemmons on the floor and get him the ball in the middle of floor to break the press and get him the ball. McCabe was in the midst of his worst game of his career and ISU turned up the pressure a little bit. Again, we can look back and all second guess, but it ended the way it did.
Husky28
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How much did you lose on the game? That's the only thing I can figure out as to why you are so butt hurt on this game... The way you talk, the whole team should just bag the rest of the season.
ArvadaHawk
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I haven't read all of the posts, so sorry if someone has already stated this. I think we have plenty of good shooters. What we are missing is staunch post defense (outside of Woody). While Gabe is a high flier and shot blocker, he needs help in his actual post defense. We allowed a 6-7 to take it to the rim and beat us (note: Woody had fouled out). Missing free throws are, as Uthoff stated: "nerves kicking in." We severely need a 6-8/6-9 240 post player to play defense.
Knight78
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You must have never played. When the crowd is rockin' the true players don't hear it. You don't see the people moving stuff around in the background. You don't hear the crowd. You see nothing but the rim. You hear nothing but a background buzz. When I watched "For Love of the Game" I knew exactly what was going on when Costner's character mentally stated "Focus the mechanism". Only fans and media believe that stuff like that affects a player. A player is more affected by the situation: tie game and you're on the line, down two and your on the line. And true players don't even think about that. Hilton Magic = Media Manufactured.
sportstalent
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Agree, when I did play and I remember my brother telling me the same thing after I stopped playing, neither of us ever heard the crowd. Even when on the bench for a break, the crowd was just never heard.
clicheusername3
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Ya, I remember when I played, at the Adel-Desoto-Center-Grimes gym for the Central midwest raccoon championship, with 37 people just screaming bloody murmur. It didn't even phase me at all.
After that kind of atmosphere, 15,000 in a heated rivalry situation with everything on the line wouldn't even phase me.
ibahawkeye
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If I admit Hilton Magic was the difference, will you admit Iowa is the better team and wins on a neutral floor?
Certainly possible. Of course I would have said phog Allen was the difference in ku's first overtime win last year but then they went on to beat Iowa State 2 more times.
If the crowd makes no difference, why would a teams record be different at home vs playing on the road?
The crowd made a huge difference. They pressure the refs into calling fouls on Iowa by booing every single time a foul is called on them.
WinOneThisCentury
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Just because I acknowledge a certain player has a weakness, doesn't mean I don't think he's a good player. Uthoff is very good, but is sometimes a little loose with his dribble. It would be like saying Mel isn't much of a three point shooter, it isn't really an insult.
I haven't been overly negative, I just don't buy the BS some people are peddling.
StatelineHawk
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Too many!
Despite him missing late free throws Friday, I still want MG on the line and wish he would take more open 3's.
WindsorHawk
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We have several good shooters.
White - FG (66.7) & FT (85.2)
Uthoff - FG (54.1) & FT (86.4) & 3 (46.7)
McCabe - FT (77.8) & 3 (43.2)
Jok - FT (84.6)
Basabe - FG (53.7)
Olaseni - FT (73.2)
Gesell - 3 (40.0)
Clemmons - FG (56.7) & 3 (40.0)
Oglesby - TBD
No player is going to make them all.
White - FG (66.7) & FT (85.2)
Uthoff - FG (54.1) & FT (86.4) & 3 (46.7)
McCabe - FT (77.8) & 3 (43.2)
Jok - FT (84.6)
Basabe - FG (53.7)
Olaseni - FT (73.2)
Gesell - 3 (40.0)
Clemmons - FG (56.7) & 3 (40.0)
Oglesby - TBD
No player is going to make them all.
Knight78
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You may have played there. (My father-in-law is in the Adel HS sports hall of fame). I'm talking about playing in the Field House and Hilton, when I was in college.
Knight78
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1. Lighting. You're used to shooting in your place with the rims lit in a particular way. Your depth perception is used to that. You don't have to adjust to the lighting changing your depth perception. Did you ever watch Iowa or ISU play at UNI when they played in the UNI Dome? BOTH teams struggled (as did all of UNI's opponents). I remember watching UCLA play Houston. They had moved the game into the Astrodome to accommodate the crowd (#1 vs #2, two top big men in the game) and both teams struggled shooting the ball. The same thing happens when a team plays in a "cracker box" gym.
2. Familiarity. You may not think much of it, but getting a good night's sleep the night before the game helps with stamina during the game. And you sleep better in your own bed than in a hotel bed. I've worked with people who have their pillows packed in an extra suit case to help them sleep better.
3. Home Cookin'. When I was in college, we ate out as a team but it wasn't what we ate when we were at home. Eating, "carbing up" for the game, is huge.
