We have a lot of hypocrites on this board.

[franstheman]

Really? No where in life is there any thing that is fair. The Athletic Department and the football program at PSU allowed little boys to be raped.. repeatedly! Now the guys on PSU can leave that hell hole, no questions asked, and go play somewhere else. Why would you not want to get away?
Ask yourself... who is hurt more... the poor kids in the shower, or the "men" on the team that can pick up and go wherever they want to now?

I'll ask this in another way. How do the sanctions help the poor kids in the shower?

 

[franstheman]

There are plenty of instances where innocent people get hurt by the actions of a few. But PSU football is a business, and it's leaders we're corrupt. The money it made was dirty. Punishment is necessary.

Tell me one person in the athletic department who commited those crimes who is being punished by the sanctions? None. They're all in jail or dead.

 

[franstheman]

There are plenty of instances where innocent people get hurt by the actions of a few. But PSU football is a business, and it's leaders we're corrupt. The money it made was dirty. Punishment is necessary.

So if the money was dirty why not just fine them the money and leave the football players alone?

 

[tm3308]

I'll ask this in another way. How do the sanctions help the poor kids in the shower?

Oh FFS. What does ANY penalty do for those kids in the shower? What does Sandusky going to prison do for them? What if he had got the death penalty? What would THAT do for them?

Answer: nothing. Nothing that anyone does can undo the damage caused in those showers. So don't use the "what do the sanctions do for the kids" argument, because it's just as credible when used with any punishment.

 

[tm3308]

So if the money was dirty why not just fine them the money and leave the football players alone?

Yeah, because taking all that money wouldn't hurt the players at all.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I'll ask this in another way. How do the sanctions help the poor kids in the shower?

Well the 75 million dollars will hopefully help them and prevent other abuse.

The point of the scholly reduction is to punish the football program at Penn State for allowing, covering up, and basically concealing vile acts against children. The point of the sanction was to ensure the program just doesn't pay the money and go back to being Penn State without any adversity. You don't learn without adversity/pain and Penn State is going to feel the pain. I understand the current players have nothing to do with it, but they have been given an out and it's theirs for the taking.

The program is lucky they weren't given the death penalty...and I think the NCAA should have given them the death penalty. This was a lack of institutional control and conspiracy that warrants such a penalty. In my opinion, it's much much worse than SMU.

 

[big10fan]

4) scholly loss - keeps 20 kids a yr from a free education and better our country.

you're right, i'm sure those kids just won't be able to play football anywhere else...
weak sauce there man.

 

[twinlaker]

Well the 75 million dollars will hopefully help them and prevent other abuse.

The point of the scholly reduction is to punish the football program at Penn State for allowing, covering up, and basically concealing vile acts against children. The point of the sanction was to ensure the program just doesn't pay the money and go back to being Penn State without any adversity. You don't learn without adversity/pain and Penn State is going to feel the pain. I understand the current players have nothing to do with it, but they have been given an out and it's theirs for the taking.

The program is lucky they weren't given the death penalty...and I think the NCAA should have given them the death penalty. This was a lack of institutional control and conspiracy that warrants such a penalty. In my opinion, it's much much worse than SMU.

Amen!

 

[franstheman]

Oh FFS. What does ANY penalty do for those kids in the shower? What does Sandusky going to prison do for them? What if he had got the death penalty? What would THAT do for them?

Answer: nothing. Nothing that anyone does can undo the damage caused in those showers. So don't use the "what do the sanctions do for the kids" argument, because it's just as credible when used with any punishment.

My question isn't what it does for the kids but what does it do that harms Sandusky? Nothing, only the players.

 

[big10fan]

no actually they wont because the guys that lose their schollies arent the stars they are the guys that practice for 3 yrs and never play and maybe get some time as a senior on specialties and a few snaps in blowouts. it isnt like the missing scholarships at psu go to another school so there are the same amount of schollies in cfb. if psu loses schollies so does all of college football.

still weak. unless you want to follow this argument all the way down to NAIA football.

120 FBS programs, 85 schollies at each = 10200 schollies

yeah, that "missing" 20 at the highest level, not including FCS and D2, will just cripple our country.

are you serious, or trolling?

 

[franstheman]

Yeah, because taking all that money wouldn't hurt the players at all.

The rest of the sanctions only hurt them worse when they don't deserve it.

 

[twinlaker]

My question isn't what it does for the kids but what does it do that harms Sandusky? Nothing, only the players.

I'll ask this in another way. How do the sanctions help the poor kids in the shower?

Well, actually this was your question.

 

[Foval21]

no actually they wont because the guys that lose their schollies arent the stars they are the guys that practice for 3 yrs and never play and maybe get some time as a senior on specialties and a few snaps in blowouts. it isnt like the missing scholarships at psu go to another school so there are the same amount of schollies in cfb. if psu loses schollies so does all of college football.

still weak. unless you want to follow this argument all the way down to NAIA football.120 FBS programs, 85 schollies at each = 10200 scholliesyeah, that "missing=" 20 at the highest level, not including FCS and D2, will just cripple our country.are you serious, or trolling?

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i am looking at it from the kids point of view. some of the kids that dont go on to the pros that could lose their scholly might not be financially able to walk-on. i am looking at how this trickles down for the individual. we have so many who harp about the injustice of oversigning and taking schollies from kids and the kid did nothing. this is doing the same thing. the other 3 things did punish psu this punishes players that had nothing to do with it. in fact i wish they were fined more money. i dont a gree with colin cowherd much but he sees the scholly thing the same as i do so i guess this is one of the times i agree with the blow hard.

i teach i see kids each yr that cant go to college because they cant afford it...i feel sorry when that is taken away from kids and this is an instance where that has happened...if you think that is trolling than i think you need a dose of reality.

 

[big10fan]

i teach i see kids each yr that cant go to college because they cant afford it...i feel sorry when that is taken away from kids and this is an instance where that has happened...if you think that is trolling than i think you need a dose of reality.

once again. a kid that was going on a full ride to PSU is guarenteed to get a ride somewhere else. did you read those numbers? now, it might not be the kid's first choice, but seriously now.

 

[ColumbusHawk]

There are no innocent people being punished at Penn State. Everybody is guility of creating the culture that allowed the vile acts to happen. The fans, students, boosters, players, the administration, etc., all are responsible for making a deity of JoePedo.

The culture had to be destroyed. The evil empire had to be obliterated.

Of course Pedo State should have kept the statute. It should have looked the other way.

 

[theboat]

i teach i see kids each yr that cant go to college because they cant afford it...i feel sorry when that is taken away from kids and this is an instance where that has happened...if you think that is trolling than i think you need a dose of reality.

Sorry, but you still don't seem to get it. Nothing is being taken from kids. Those kids that are the 84th and 85th scholarship on PSU, go there strictly because they were offered a scholarship, but they aren't left on the street otherwise. They also had offers to Indiana. The 85th scholly on Indiana then might have to drop to Toledo. The 85th on Toledo might drop to UNI........etc.


Maybe we should just offer 200 scholarships per team, and the worlds problems would be solved.

 

[kmajhawk]

This might not be a really popular thing to say, but I am just going to say it because it has been bugging me for a while.

If Hayden Fry had been around as long and had taken our program to the same heights Paterno has taken PSU, our fan base would probably be just like what we perceive Penn State's and Nebraska's to be. And make no mistake, if a school hires the wrong leadership to surround their athletic department, what happened there could have happened at a lot of places. Maybe even Iowa.

But no one here wants to admit that. Those are probably the same fans that would whine about having Mary Sue Coleman as the leader of our school and they might complain now about our current president. The perception being they aren't sports-minded enough or that they are pushing too strongly for a place for women's athletics at Iowa, given they can't support themselves financially.

The truth is, though, that this type of diverse leadership is a check against the sort of problems that came up at PSU. You can't have it both ways. There probably isn't a way to make it the exact perfect mix to make everyone happy while still keeping the culture and priorities in line.

But from my perspective, there are a lot of hypocritical, holier-than-thou types around right now that find it easy to take shots at PSU's fan base when they don't really recognize that they are probably the same fans, just at a different school, minus the success and scandal that are both now associated with Penn State.

I get the feeling sometimes that a lot of you think Iowa is better than other schools and places. Maybe the truth is we're just a little luckier. We have had legal problems surrounding our sports teams. They don't need to be revisited now, but they weren't always handled perfectly. But we had leadership in place that eventually tried to do the right things before things got too far out of hand.

If we had somehow hired PSU's leadership, that might not have been the case. Maybe we should count ourselves lucky in this regard.

I will probably post this and then let everyone comment as they will on it. I am not really interested in debating my points so much as I really just wanted to get them off my chest. I'll get off my soap box now.

I understand what you're trying to say, THawki, but I think you are wrong on much of it, especially asserting -- as you do in your title -- that there are a lot of hypocrites on HN.

I don't ever see an Iowa football coach (or coach for any other major Iowa sport, for that matter) having the same sort of control and influence over the university as JoePa did at Penn State, which was well-known. Apples and oranges. If anything, the Iowa administration at times over-reaches when dealing with the athletic department (see Marcus Coker, the investigation into the alleged sexual assault and his decision to transfer, apparently due to a "violation" of the UI student-athlete Code of Conduct even though no charges were ever brought).

 

[tm3308]

The rest of the sanctions only hurt them worse when they don't deserve it.

So you're saying that the NCAA should rarely pass down sanctions? Since, you know, the overwhelming majority (if not all) the current players (at any school) don't deserve it?

Innocent people can get hurt when people make poor choices. That's just how it is. Mistakes and crimes don't happen in a vacuum. If you don't like it, tough titties. Life ain't fair.

 

[theboat]

So you're saying that the NCAA should rarely pass down sanctions? Since, you know, the overwhelming majority (if not all) the current players (at any school) don't deserve it?

Innocent people can get hurt when people make poor choices. That's just how it is. Mistakes and crimes don't happen in a vacuum. If you don't like it, tough titties. Life ain't fair.

I don't get that line of thinking either. By that logic, anyone with kids should never be sentenced to jail.

 

[Thawki]

There are no innocent people being punished at Penn State. Everybody is guility of creating the culture that allowed the vile acts to happen. The fans, students, boosters, players, the administration, etc., all are responsible for making a deity of JoePedo.

The culture had to be destroyed. The evil empire had to be obliterated.

Of course Pedo State should have kept the statute. It should have looked the other way.

And what did the players do that was wrong, again? They did what differently than what players did at other schools? And if the players did something wrong, what should they have done differently?

Pretty much the answer to all of those questions is that the players did NOTHiNG wrong. Get a clue. Those players are guilty of not one thing.