Watching the CFP Natty game.....

Our problem is that we don't have 2-3 Brandon Smiths coming in and out so they stay fresh.

I like Smith. Solid ball player, good kid. But with all due respect, Clemson ain't rolling 3 Brandon Smiths. They have 10 WRs in the NFL right now, including Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins. Ross and Higgins will play in the League. Again, I like Smith, but the talent gap between him and the guys Clemson is rolling out is pretty big.
 
I would say Mr. Davis Davis was a good coach not a great coach, and was a bad recruiter.
That's not unfair. I never liked his press defense or his hockey line substitutions it required. It didn't work against high quality competition and I believe it's the reason why he never won a BIG title, in spite all of Raveling's NBA talent.
 
I'd put Running back around the very top of Iowa's list for deficiencies. It blows my mind that Ferentz can't get a top tier RB to come to Iowa. Iowa has basically everything a top tier RB should want...a solid line, a pro-style offense, and a run-heavy offense. Wisconsin seems to have zero problems recruiting RB's yet Iowa consistently sucks at it.
Iowa banks on the system developing any able bodied back to succeed... We've had solid years just the last couple haven't left the best of tastes in our mouths. But that's the combination of Oline and playcalling as well. Situational play calling certainly factors in how successful RBs can be. I'm not so sure about trying to use 3 guys a ton is the way to go either. I kinda like riding one guy as your horse and using another one situationally be it 3rd and longs or whatever. We seemed to have no rhyme or reason to how we used ours for the most part... I'm not sure the players themselves knew what their roles were week to week.
 
Iowa banks on the system developing any able bodied back to succeed... We've had solid years just the last couple haven't left the best of tastes in our mouths. But that's the combination of Oline and playcalling as well. Situational play calling certainly factors in how successful RBs can be. I'm not so sure about trying to use 3 guys a ton is the way to go either. I kinda like riding one guy as your horse and using another one situationally be it 3rd and longs or whatever. We seemed to have no rhyme or reason to how we used ours for the most part... I'm not sure the players themselves knew what their roles were week to week.

Yeah I just mean the full complete back, kinda like Shonn Greene was. Imagine what a Melvin Gordon, or Nick Chubb, or Leonard Fournette could do for a team like Iowa. Not saying Wadley wasn't good for Iowa, but an elite running back would do amazing things for our offense.
 
Yeah I just mean the full complete back, kinda like Shonn Greene was. Imagine what a Melvin Gordon, or Nick Chubb, or Leonard Fournette could do for a team like Iowa. Not saying Wadley wasn't good for Iowa, but an elite running back would do amazing things for our offense.
For sure. But how do we know Toren Young isn't that? I'm not sure if we had one we'd give them the chance to be one either is kinda what I'm getting at too. I'm not saying Young is either but you know what I mean.
 
It's a pipe dream to ever think we will consistently field teams even remotely similar to what we saw last night. That's not to say we can't have solid teams that could compete for the B1G championship, but - short of an act of God - we are never going to be at that level. Never.

As others have pointed out, recruiting is the key. With more and more juniors and redshirt sophs jumping to the NFL, I hope our coaches see that for what it is, and use it as an impetus for a more aggressive recruiting strategy. As a developmental program, we have relied upon players peaking as 4th and 5th-year players. That's a luxury that is going "bye, bye" real fast. The playing field is shifting to younger players, and we better adjust accordingly.
 
That's not unfair. I never liked his press defense or his hockey line substitutions it required. It didn't work against high quality competition and I believe it's the reason why he never won a BIG title, in spite all of Raveling's NBA talent.

It worked when he had all of Ravelings talent. In fact what didn't work was taking his foot off the gas pedal in the '87 elite eight game against UNLV. I still believe we would have won that game if he kept the pressure and intensity up. That style of play worked great for that team specifically (because of all the athletes) and to a lesser degree with the following two teams (less Raveling recruits, less athletes) though was still effective. It was when Tom Davis had only his recruits that his full and 3/4 quarter press D was not a good fit for his team. Bottom line Tom Davis just could not recruit.

I still believe and many may disagree, that Ray Thompson was his best recruit. But we all know what happened to him.

As a side note, I believe Ray Thompson's suspension during the '89 tournament cost us the N.C. State game which prevented us from playing Georgetown in the sweet sixteen. That would have been a great matchup back then but sadly it marked an end to an era for Hawkeye Basketball.
 
I still believe and many may disagree, that Ray Thompson was his best recruit. But we all know what happened to him.

Ray Thompson was awesome, unfortunately his star status went to his head.

What did happen to Ray Thompson? I remember he transferred to Oral Roberts but that was the last I heard. I don't think he ever played in the NBA but did he go overseas?
 
It worked when he had all of Ravelings talent. In fact what didn't work was taking his foot off the gas pedal in the '87 elite eight game against UNLV. I still believe we would have won that game if he kept the pressure and intensity up. That style of play worked great for that team specifically (because of all the athletes) and to a lesser degree with the following two teams (less Raveling recruits, less athletes) though was still effective. It was when Tom Davis had only his recruits that his full and 3/4 quarter press D was not a good fit for his team. Bottom line Tom Davis just could not recruit.

I still believe and many may disagree, that Ray Thompson was his best recruit. But we all know what happened to him.

As a side note, I believe Ray Thompson's suspension during the '89 tournament cost us the N.C. State game which prevented us from playing Georgetown in the sweet sixteen. That would have been a great matchup back then but sadly it marked an end to an era for Hawkeye Basketball.
That 87-88 team lost 10 games. As did the 88-89 team. 10 games!
A list of NBA talent on those rosters.
Armstrong
Marble
Horton
Jones
Jepsen
Bullard
And Thompson certainly had that kind of talent. Add in the role players from those teams and explain to me 10 losses in each season? That's awful coaching IMO.
 
It worked when he had all of Ravelings talent. In fact what didn't work was taking his foot off the gas pedal in the '87 elite eight game against UNLV. I still believe we would have won that game if he kept the pressure and intensity up. That style of play worked great for that team specifically (because of all the athletes) and to a lesser degree with the following two teams (less Raveling recruits, less athletes) though was still effective. It was when Tom Davis had only his recruits that his full and 3/4 quarter press D was not a good fit for his team. Bottom line Tom Davis just could not recruit.

I still believe and many may disagree, that Ray Thompson was his best recruit. But we all know what happened to him.

As a side note, I believe Ray Thompson's suspension during the '89 tournament cost us the N.C. State game which prevented us from playing Georgetown in the sweet sixteen. That would have been a great matchup back then but sadly it marked an end to an era for Hawkeye Basketball.
Pressing worked in the second half of the eighties/early nineties (Iowa, Cleveland State's run-n-stun, Tulane's posse, Loyola Marymount's seven second offense, Oklahoma, etc.) because there were too many dinosaur coaches still playing the Wooden era high post offenses, the Twin Towers, and others. You needed athletic bigs to make those offenses work and the well that had been flowing since Lew Alcindor largely stopped after Patrick Ewing. Once coaches had adapted to how the three point line could change the game the small forward, once the glamour position in basketball, gradually became extinct. Teams were spreading the floor with three and even four guards, playing inside out, and there was enough quickness on the floor negate pressing defenses. The trends set in place in the early nineties are still going strong today.
 
That 87-88 team lost 10 games. As did the 88-89 team. 10 games!
A list of NBA talent on those rosters.
Armstrong
Marble
Horton
Jones
Jepsen
Bullard
And Thompson certainly had that kind of talent. Add in the role players from those teams and explain to me 10 losses in each season? That's awful coaching IMO.
Those teams had no rim protectors and BJ was a defensive sieve. He didn't have a prayer against Rumeal Robinson, to name one example. I would have loved to see Acie Earl on those teams. Earl, as his brief NBA career would attest, was overrated but he could rebound and block shots.

Davis wasn't a terrible coach, of course, but he was frequently overmatched by Knight, Gene Keady and Jud Heahcoate among others. His own protege, Gary Williams, gave him fits during Williams' brief time at Ohio State.
 
Those teams had no rim protectors and BJ was a defensive sieve. He didn't have a prayer against Rumeal Robinson, to name one example. I would have loved to see Acie Earl on those teams. Earl, as his brief NBA career would attest, was overrated but he could rebound and block shots.

Davis wasn't a terrible coach, of course, but he was frequently overmatched by Knight, Gene Keady and Jud Heahcoate among others. His own protege, Gary Williams, gave him fits during Williams' brief time at Ohio State.
Rim protector my ass. Way too much talent to lose 10 games, rim protector or not! The defense that Tom Davis ran WAS the problem. Sorry. Tom Davis was an average coach, at best.
 
Rim protector my ass. Way too much talent to lose 10 games, rim protector or not! The defense that Tom Davis ran WAS the problem. Sorry. Tom Davis was an average coach, at best.
I remember watching this game with my old man. Iowa down 1, 8 seconds to go in Bloomington. Out of a timeout, Acie Earl lobbed a freaking 3. I thought my old man was gonna have a gripper he was so livid. Of course, the Hawks won it, but this was not genius level coaching we were dealing with here.

 
Wait, the thread title got me. I thought it was about the Clemson Bama game. Didn't realize Acie Earl's rap name was CFP Natty.
 
Rim protector my ass. Way too much talent to lose 10 games, rim protector or not! The defense that Tom Davis ran WAS the problem. Sorry. Tom Davis was an average coach, at best.
Oh, there was much more than that. His point man in the 1-2-2 was often lazy getting out and identifying shooters at the top of the key.

His entire defense was lazy at getting out and identifying shooters.

His substitution patterns often seemed scripted, with no rhyme or reason to what the flow of the game dictated.

He was a horrible bench coach, in game coach, and end of game coach.

His offense was horrible at setting screens, a death notice in a physical conference like the B1G.

Speaking of being physical, his aversion to weight training further set the team back in the battle to be the stronger team on the floor

He averaged 25.7 wins per season with Raveling's recruits, sans Jepsen's senior year, and was 6-3 in postseason play.

He average 19.2 wins per season without Raveling's recruits, and was 7-6 in NCAA play.

You've talked about the talent on the floor. You haven't even mentioned the talent on his staff.

My original list wasn't inaccurate, just incomplete. He had his good qualities as well of course, but truth be told his finest hours as a coach were at Boston College.
 
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