View of HN is quite funny.

OUTofTOWNHAWK

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Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?
 
Why don't we let the season play out and then evaluate the program? Heck, even the Michigan administration has more patience than you do.

Yeah, this season is exactly how I thought it would go. We are very inexperienced at linebacker and have a very AVERAGE offensive line at this point.

The next 5 games are huge for Iowa. You can evaluate Ferentz and his staff at the end of the season.
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Why don't we let the season play out and then evaluate the program? Heck, even the Michigan administration has more patience than you do.

Yeah, this season is exactly how I thought it would go. We are very inexperienced at linebacker and have a very AVERAGE offensive line at this point.

The next 5 games are huge for Iowa. You can evaluate Ferentz and his staff at the end of the season.
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With all due respect, you're missing the point. People like OoTH and I have been patient. This isn't the beginning of our lust for a new staff like it is for some people.
 
Why don't we let the season play out and then evaluate the program? Heck, even the Michigan administration has more patience than you do.

Yeah, this season is exactly how I thought it would go. We are very inexperienced at linebacker and have a very AVERAGE offensive line at this point.

The next 5 games are huge for Iowa. You can evaluate Ferentz and his staff at the end of the season.
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Thats the point. Its always lets wait and see. Heck when is the next easy schedule we can look forward to? Maybe kirk will turn it around then.

There are many on here that love to sit on the fence. Yell and curse kirk in the game thread....then act like that never happened.

Kirk fans are like the girl that wont leave her abusive boy friend. He will change I know he will.
 
This won't go well for you.. But I can definitely feel your pain.. I've been saying since "the catch".

So you have wanted KF gone since 2004? Bully for you....I wanted him gone in 1985 when he was an assistant when Harmon fumbled 4 times in the Rose Bowl....so I beat you in the ''hating KF contest''.
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

"raises hand" - Guilty as charged, i'll admit I am one of the referenced. All i'll say is that I hope for a turnaround of fortune for this year, and it looks pretty bleak. I'll admit that the way I feel now is different than past years. I've always contended that the "pros outweigh the cons" when it comes to KF, and I am not completely sold that it is necessarily true concerning W/L success anymore.

I do think that GD is more of an immediate problem than KF, but KF hired him...so...he's to blame as well. Although I think KF still has positives, I will no longer refute the folks that have zero faith in him and want him gone, as there is more evidence.

Win Saturday Hawks ! It's what we all want on this board !
 
I almost never go to the Rivals board but they seem to all be loyalists over there.

yes, those idiots actually root for their program....what are they thinking? Don't they know that firing the coach is always the perfect answer to building a winning program at Iowa? Mr. Davis in bb is a perfect example....that firing took Iowa bb to new heights ...so it is basically a gurantee that the next coach at Iowa will win more games than KF, right?
 
yes, those idiots actually root for their program....what are they thinking? Don't they know that firing the coach is always the perfect answer to building a winning program at Iowa? Mr. Davis in bb is a perfect example....that firing took Iowa bb to new heights ...so it is basically a gurantee that the next coach at Iowa will win more games than KF, right?

There is the Kirk motto. Be careful because something bad could happen.
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

I'll man up for a serving of crow. I've followed you as a poster and felt that you have been too negative/impatient. Now that I've officially come off the Kool Aid, I think you were just seeing things that my love for the Hawks/respect for Ferentz left me blind to.

I have been a *staunch* KF supporter - in particular, through the 05-07 stretch, I would have described myself as "militant" (yes, I was a "hawknick" style poster who felt that my unflinching loyalty entitled me to define for all of Hawkfandom what a "true fan" should look like - everyone else could go to hell and find another team to root for).

I've done a lot of thinking lately, stretching all the way back to '99. My opinion of KF shapes up as:

-I think he's, at heart, a good guy who cares about the players & the long term health of the program (which all college coaches are supposed to do, but I think very few of them actually live up to - I think KF is one of the few).

-I think in specific areas, he is a good (maybe even very good) coach. Finding & developing overlooked talent at specific positions being a key one in this category.

-I think in specific areas, he is a very mediocre (maybe even poor) coach. Gameday coaching & inability/general unwillingness to deviate from "The Way" being a couple key ones in this category.

-I think his record over the past 16 seasons is a direct reflection of him being just good enough of a coach to capitalize on what has been an *extremely* weak Big Ten for the majority of his tenure. Just one similar example I'll point to the off & on success Washington State had in a short window in the late 90's/early 00's in the (then) Pac 10 during a time when that league looked a bit like glorified intramurals (before Pete Carroll showed up and upped the ante on everyone).

Here's the thing - if we were Washington State (or some other largely forgettable Power 5 team) trying to make it to a lower tier bowl maybe every other year (or 2 out of every 3 years during a good stretch) on a shoestring budget, I'm not sure I'd be terribly dissatisfied with the above. But that's the problem - while I am under no illusions we are Michigan or Ohio State, I think our tradition and - more importantly - budget dictates we are a better program than "some largely forgettable Power 5 team trying to make a lower tier bowl". That's a roundabout way of saying I am 100% confident that $4M/year (or whatever Ferentz is making now) should buy us better than the overall product we've seen over the last 16 years.

He needs to go while people like me can still remember his contributions fondly rather than continuing to build the impression of a fat cat hogging the seat & preventing us from getting someone who might do it better (like Bielema or Mark Stoops, for example)
 
And there is the anti-KF mantra.....change for changes sake is nirvana! Iowa is a sleeping giant if only we could hire Bob Commings again!

Don't give me that crap. I guarantee you $4M/yr would buy us something way better than Bob Fricking Commings. $4M/yr, even in today's market, would buy you something a lot closer to Forest Fricking Evashevski.
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

You're supposed to add an I told you so at the end.
 
I can accept criticism of KF when he loses games...I do it also. But, some of these posters never relent, even when we win, and say anything positive about KF or the program. We land a nice rb recruit last nite, and the cynics snicker with glee, predicting he will never play or will leave.....these types of perpetually negative fans are poisonous to Iowa football. They have lost all objectivity. They do accept the reality of where Iowa football is.....all the money in the world will not make the state of Iowa produce recruits like Ohio or NJ or Md or Florida....it can help with facilities but cannot change the climate.....but they ignore that reality.
 
And there is the anti-KF mantra.....change for changes sake is nirvana! Iowa is a sleeping giant if only we could hire Bob Commings again!

What does Iowa not have to be a good program? Let me guess youll blame the players.

We have seen how no change is working out. Ill take that back kirk changes a little. A little worse every year. The fan base changes a little every year. A little more against kirk. The season ticket holders are changing.
 
Don't give me that crap. I guarantee you $4M/yr would buy us something way better than Bob Fricking Commings. $4M/yr, even in today's market, would buy you something a lot closer to Forest Fricking Evashevski.

Maybe we should hire 4 millon dollar man Charlie Weis...the genius behind Patriot super bowls? Or Brady Hoke?
ND and Michigan are way below Iowa level....of course.
 
Don't give me that crap. I guarantee you $4M/yr would buy us something way better than Bob Fricking Commings. $4M/yr, even in today's market, would buy you something a lot closer to Forest Fricking Evashevski.

That's the problem. We could hire a good coach but I would bet Barta would look to the MAC and hire someone for 1.1 million and we have to go through 3-5 really bad years till he's gone. I'd like a new coach but I have no faith in Barta.
 
I can accept criticism of KF when he loses games...I do it also. But, some of these posters never relent, even when we win, and say anything positive about KF or the program. We land a nice rb recruit last nite, and the cynics snicker with glee, predicting he will never play or will leave.....these types of perpetually negative fans are poisonous to Iowa football. They have lost all objectivity. They do accept the reality of where Iowa football is.....all the money in the world will not make the state of Iowa produce recruits like Ohio or NJ or Md or Florida....it can help with facilities but cannot change the climate.....but they ignore that reality.

See blame the talent. Yet the talent isnt even used.

You complain then forgive and forget rinse repeat. Does that make you a good fan?
 

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