Uthoff and Jok what kind of players are they... strengths?

[springfieldhawk]

Are either of these two a defensive stopper? Shooter? Slasher type? Rebounder?

What are their strengths?

Can either or both start next season?

Are they similar players?

 

[CPHAWK82]

Jok is a 3pt specialist with a high release. He has good ball handling skills and is a good passer as well. If his athleticism returns fully, he could be a big threat slashing to the basket as well. He's not known as a great defender but has the body type and wingspan to evolve into a decent shot blocker.

Uthoff is very similar to Aaron White. He has good footwork underneath the basket and is able to step out and shoot the midrange shot as well as the three. Solid fundamentals and seems to be pretty decent on defense from what I've seen of him but has a ways to go and needs to get stronger physically.

I doubt either player starts right away because of the depth we have coming back, but both guys can shoot the ball and this team needs shooters.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Too early to say definitively...

Are either of these two a defensive stopper? Shooter? Slasher type? Rebounder?

What are their strengths?

Can either or both start next season?

Are they similar players?

as neither one has played a second of college basketball.

From seeing Uthoff in the PTL and highlights of Jok they both have a chance to contribute immediately. Uthoff has a unique skill set for someone who is 6-8. He can dribble, pass, shoot well out to 3-point range. I wouldn't say you can ask him to play heavy minutes at the 3 as he would struggle to defend really quick guys, but he has a unique skill set.

Jok is 6-5 to 6-6, can handle the ball, pass and shoot it beyond the 3-point line. If he regains all of the explosiveness he had before his injuries in high school Iowa got a talent and caliber of player that we haven't seen in quite some time.

I have a hard time seeing Uthoff starting right away, but who knows. Woodbury, White, McCabe and Basabe will all be back again next year. Fran's job is to put the best guys out there, so if Uthoff is better he deserves to play. The following year more PT opens up when Basabe and McCabe graduate.

If Jok continues to recover health-wise and Marble returns for his senior season, Iowa would finally have the type of perimeter players in terms of skills and athleticism to look like they belong on the court with top-tier teams. I wouldn't pencil in Jok as a starter with everyone back on on the perimeter except May, but he will play a lot if he's healthy.

 

[hawkfan33]

We still will have the same problem of finding a capable starting 3 as we do this year. Uthoff will be very good, but him and White are pretty redundant. So just like this year we will have a glut of 4's who can't defend 3's and no depth at the 3 spot, unless Jok can stay healthy and live up to his pre-injury potential.

 

[Section136]

Re: Too early to say definitively...

If Jok continues to recover health-wise and Marble returns for his senior season

This is funny.

Whar Roy Devyn gonna go? Whar?

 

[activebadger]

We still will have the same problem of finding a capable starting 3 as we do this year. Uthoff will be very good, but him and White are pretty redundant. So just like this year we will have a glut of 4's who can't defend 3's and no depth at the 3 spot, unless Jok can stay healthy and live up to his pre-injury potential.

This is about as accurate a statement as you'll find.

People say Wisconsin fans have said Uthoff isn't a good player only after he decided to transfer and were high on him while he was in Madison. That really isn't true. People were excited about Uthoff but certainly didn't see him as someone who would be one of the best 1-2 on the team during his career.

From what I heard regarding him was that he was smart, understood the game (if Bo Ryan recruits you, you are probably a smart player) had a nice touch and didn't force things. On the negative side, as others have stated he's very weak and probably won't ever be a banger/rebounder inside. He's a "3" offensively but on defense he's definitely a 4. He wasn't exceptionally quick so he'd have a hard time defending a 3 and probably a hard time keeping a 4 off of the glass.

As others have also noted there is a problem with finding a position for him at Iowa because Aaron White essentially plays what you'd have Uthoff play. If you play them together then you have 2 guys that are kind of between positions on defense. Offensively they'd be fine on the floor together. Uthoff isn't going to take minutes from White because White is just better at this point in time and while White isn't strong, he's stronger than Uthoff.

 

[aaronzuriel]

Their strengths are both of them are much better than Senior Eric May. No dis respect to May, I suspect there will be 2 or 3 games this season that May makes some plays that lead to Iowa wins.

Next year Iowa will be even be deeper and a better shooting team than this year.

 

[undrcvrhawkfan]

Uthoff will probably be a better fit at the 3 than White is. Uthoff likes to work outside the paint and has a more consistent shot than White. I would rather see us use more zone when we have White playing the 3. Same thing for next year if either White or Uthoff play the 3. Both of those guys can play a little further off their man on the perimeter, yet still be able to get a hand up because of their length. That will also provide them with help nearby should the person they're guarding get a step on them.

Right now, Jok is a deadly shooter with NBA range and close to above-average athleticism. Like others have said though, if he ends up regaining his athleticism pre-injury he is elite. If things end up falling into place with him he would have good chance at starting at the 3.

 

[doclee]

This is about as accurate a statement as you'll find.

People say Wisconsin fans have said Uthoff isn't a good player only after he decided to transfer and were high on him while he was in Madison. That really isn't true. People were excited about Uthoff but certainly didn't see him as someone who would be one of the best 1-2 on the team during his career.

From what I heard regarding him was that he was smart, understood the game (if Bo Ryan recruits you, you are probably a smart player) had a nice touch and didn't force things. On the negative side, as others have stated he's very weak and probably won't ever be a banger/rebounder inside. He's a "3" offensively but on defense he's definitely a 4. He wasn't exceptionally quick so he'd have a hard time defending a 3 and probably a hard time keeping a 4 off of the glass.

As others have also noted there is a problem with finding a position for him at Iowa because Aaron White essentially plays what you'd have Uthoff play. If you play them together then you have 2 guys that are kind of between positions on defense. Offensively they'd be fine on the floor together. Uthoff isn't going to take minutes from White because White is just better at this point in time and while White isn't strong, he's stronger than Uthoff.

Good stuff, Badger. Can you imagine even having this kind of discussion if we had Lackluster back along with the material he had playing for him?

 

[activebadger]

Good stuff, Badger. Can you imagine even having this kind of discussion if we had Lackluster back along with the material he had playing for him?

I don't really agree with you.

Lickliter didn't get it done at Iowa, that much is clear. However I don't think he's a bad coach. He was highly successful at Butler and you don't forget how to do things overnight. I think it was a perfect storm of things that didn't go his way at Iowa in addition to fans turning on him.

People are really in support of your current coach but what has he done that has been so much better other than have higher scoring games? I guess I just don't see why there should be such a wide gap between your previous coach and your current one.

 

[hawkfan33]

I don't really agree with you.

Lickliter didn't get it done at Iowa, that much is clear. However I don't think he's a bad coach. He was highly successful at Butler and you don't forget how to do things overnight. I think it was a perfect storm of things that didn't go his way at Iowa in addition to fans turning on him.

People are really in support of your current coach but what has he done that has been so much better other than have higher scoring games? I guess I just don't see why there should be such a wide gap between your previous coach and your current one.

If Lickliter was a decent coach he would have been able to get another mid major job. He couldn't find a single D-1 head coaching job, for a guy who has a national coach of the year award, that should tell you everything you need to know about him.

Also, Fran's had a winning season, won a B10 tournament game, won a post-season game, beat a ranked opponent on the road. All things Lickliter never did.

 

[Makavelihawk]

I don't really agree with you.

Lickliter didn't get it done at Iowa, that much is clear. However I don't think he's a bad coach. He was highly successful at Butler and you don't forget how to do things overnight. I think it was a perfect storm of things that didn't go his way at Iowa in addition to fans turning on him.

People are really in support of your current coach but what has he done that has been so much better other than have higher scoring games? I guess I just don't see why there should be such a wide gap between your previous coach and your current one.

If you ever need proof that this guy is a clueless tool, please refer to this post.

 

[Section136]

I don't really agree with you.

Lickliter didn't get it done at Iowa, that much is clear. However I don't think he's a bad coach. He was highly successful at Butler and you don't forget how to do things overnight. I think it was a perfect storm of things that didn't go his way at Iowa in addition to fans turning on him.

People are really in support of your current coach but what has he done that has been so much better other than have higher scoring games? I guess I just don't see why there should be such a wide gap between your previous coach and your current one.

Lickliter had multiple transfers every year and they were usually some of the top players on the team. And also, Lickliter never swept Wisconsin.

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[kmajhawk]

This is about as accurate a statement as you'll find.

People say Wisconsin fans have said Uthoff isn't a good player only after he decided to transfer and were high on him while he was in Madison. That really isn't true. People were excited about Uthoff but certainly didn't see him as someone who would be one of the best 1-2 on the team during his career.

From what I heard regarding him was that he was smart, understood the game (if Bo Ryan recruits you, you are probably a smart player) had a nice touch and didn't force things. On the negative side, as others have stated he's very weak and probably won't ever be a banger/rebounder inside. He's a "3" offensively but on defense he's definitely a 4. He wasn't exceptionally quick so he'd have a hard time defending a 3 and probably a hard time keeping a 4 off of the glass.

As others have also noted there is a problem with finding a position for him at Iowa because Aaron White essentially plays what you'd have Uthoff play. If you play them together then you have 2 guys that are kind of between positions on defense. Offensively they'd be fine on the floor together. Uthoff isn't going to take minutes from White because White is just better at this point in time and while White isn't strong, he's stronger than Uthoff.

I actually find myself agreeing with much of what you say above. Which frightens me to no end.

While I am glad to get one good Iowa player back and to keep another within the state's boundaries, my question is whether either of them moves the needle forward. From what I'm reading, neither is a game-changer and sort of more of what Iowa already has. Not seeing that either is an upgrade. Am I wrong?

 

[hawkfan33]

I actually find myself agreeing with much of what you say above. Which frightens me to no end.

While I am glad to get one good Iowa player back and to keep another within the state's boundaries, my question is whether either of them moves the needle forward. From what I'm reading, neither is a game-changer and sort of more of what Iowa already has. Not seeing that either is an upgrade. Am I wrong?

Agreed. I've been emailing Fran and telling him to get more top 10 recruits for two years, but he just hasn't done it. How hard is to land a Jabari Parker type player!

 

[kmajhawk]

Agreed. I've been emailing Fran and telling him to get more top 10 recruits for two years, but he just hasn't done it. How hard is to land a Jabari Parker type player!

You must have his chump e-mail. I've been sending notes to his must-read account encouraging him to start Clemmons in place of McCabe. As you can see, I get results...

 

[Hawkstrat]

I actually find myself agreeing with much of what you say above. Which frightens me to no end.

While I am glad to get one good Iowa player back and to keep another within the state's boundaries, my question is whether either of them moves the needle forward. From what I'm reading, neither is a game-changer and sort of more of what Iowa already has. Not seeing that either is an upgrade. Am I wrong?

Uthoff was ranked as the 90th player in his class with a number of impressive offers, he and Jok are replacing a very below-average Eric May. How is that not an upgrade?

Would it be nice if Uthoff was more of a pure slasher-three, sure I guess. But he is skilled, and a better shooter than White. They are not the same player.

 

[activebadger]

Lickliter had multiple transfers every year and they were usually some of the top players on the team. And also, Lickliter never swept Wisconsin.

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Lick and ActiveVager-0

If sweeping 1 team in the conference is the goal of your team then you are right Lickliter didn't accomplish that. What is the goal of your team? To beat Wisconsin every year but not make much growth defensively as a team/program?

You don't become National Coach of the Year by not knowing what you are doing. I get that his time here didn't meet expectations but that doesn't diminish his prior accomplishments. Bill Belicek was fired by Cleveland at one point in time. Pete Carroll was fired by the Patriots. Steve Fischer was fired by Michigan. The list goes on and on.

 

[Hawkstrat]

When Lick left Butler to go to Iowa, Iowa got worse and Butler got better.

 

[activebadger]

When Lick left Butler to go to Iowa, Iowa got worse and Butler got better.

I'm not arguing with the fact that Lickliter didn't get it done at Iowa. He didn't get it done, period. What I am saying is there is more to making a program work than just x's and o's.