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DDThompson
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is this a copy and paste article used for the last four years.
USA today Cites Frentz Contract One of the Worst
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tksirius
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Hell, Minnesota gives away tickets for buying frozen pizzas. In case anyone forgot/missed it from gophersports.com:
skinnykilmer17
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Sorry 7.5 win seasons. My bad.
Motigerhawk
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7 gets you 8
skinnykilmer17
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Well he is kind of an easy target in this regard.
But how do you guys feel when an unbiased national publication points out the same thing us, um, non-Ferentz kool-aid drinkers have been saying for years?
HaydenHawk56
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Was surprised at Dantonio and Peterson. Chryst, not so much, because Wisky's known to be cheap and Shaw didn't shock me because it's Stanford and I didn't know how well their coaches were paid, since they're not exactly known as sports schools (because of their academics, not because their athletics are bad
The reason I posted the names I did, is because Lovie and Frost getting paid more than KF, to me, says KF's contract is not the worst. Even Campbell and Fleck, who are about 1 million below KF is a joke. Hell, Minnesota gives away tickets for buying frozen pizzas. In case anyone forgot/missed it from gophersports.com:
That Minny deal sounds like something like Clown U would do. LOL!
MWS604
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Pretty simple reason why Ferentz appears on the list most years. If you are making big bucks and your teams isn't ranked, most objective sports reporters will put you on the list.
Unless Barta leaves before Kirk retires, Brian will be our next HC and most fans will be happy with that (i.e., buy season tickets and make contributions) so long as the 8-5 seasons continue. With a weak nonconference schedule and the weak west division, imminently doable.
Unless Barta leaves before Kirk retires, Brian will be our next HC and most fans will be happy with that (i.e., buy season tickets and make contributions) so long as the 8-5 seasons continue. With a weak nonconference schedule and the weak west division, imminently doable.
By most metrics, Iowa is roughly a top 25 program over KF's tenure. He has a lot of mediocre years where the team probably finishing in the 30's, and then some really good years where they finish top 10 (the flip side of only finishing in the top 25 thrice in 13 years is that they are one of a small handful of teams to finish in the top 10 thrice in that same span). Average that out over time, and they are typically top 25 in overall wins, win%, # of seasons with 8+ wins, top-10 finishes, etc..
There are aspects of the contract that are indefensible (bonuses, buyout), but all in all I think it works as a positive for Iowa. We saw from the "anonymous NCAA coach" article earlier this fall that many others are jealous of this situation, both for its stability and value. Is that going to make Iowa a more or less attractive destination for the next coach? Of course, if things are just handed over to Brian that is all moot, but I am in the minority who does not think that is how things will go down.
Hawkeyes5
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You seriously believe any journalists in this day and age? Sports or otherwise? Thats delusional in and itself. JMO
BigD
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Well if everyone thought the same way some think on this forum, we would all still be subject to a King and the United States would not even exist.
I don’t think people (or fans) should just go along with things just because its the easiest way or the path of least resistance I don’t give a damn whether it’s sports, politics, or religion.
See the movie “Braveheart” some on here might learn something.
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DDThompson
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Kirk always seems to have a reason (s) why they don't do well in a particular season or one of those big game flops.
I don't recall Kirk ever saying he is the reason, which is quite telling since he is the head coach.
Give him credit, he has his cards stacked, and constantly plays rope a dope to get what he wants or thinks that he deserves.
I don't recall Kirk ever saying he is the reason, which is quite telling since he is the head coach.
Give him credit, he has his cards stacked, and constantly plays rope a dope to get what he wants or thinks that he deserves.
MWS604
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His reason most frequently is "lack of execution" When your strategy is "play not to lose" you can always find an execution issue that led to defeat. For example, the Wisconsin game was blamed on the three special teams mistakes.
However, not trying to score at the end of the first half, the play calling on our second to last possession of the game, and our no-blitz, soft zone on Wisconsin second to last drive were the strategic errors that won't even be considered as factors by the coaching staff.
InGoodCo
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I guess you have to weigh how bad of a deal it is vs. being like other P5 programs geographically to Iowa IMO. 7-8 wins a season sucks, but it certainly beats being Nebraska, ISU, Minnesota, IL, IN, Missouri, KS, K-state etc. I'd also argue that WI, MI, ND aren't exactly winning National Titles and conference titles hand over foot during Ferentz's time. There's only one Ohio State and it doesn't matter who Iowa hires or pays, that's not going to change. I'm not saying its a good deal, but just looking at it with a different prospective I guess.
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How do they define profit and what are they doing with it? Is that before or after paying coaches? I thought that all the recent remodeling of the stadium was being done with outside donations above and beyond that or does that get included in it? I'm just curious what happens with 41 million bucks that gets to be laying around. They've been raking it in for awhile now and I'm sure with the football facility having been built and all the new shiny things they've spent $ on they may have some loans to pay off but no matter what it can't take long to pay them off with this kind of rate of return year in and yr out...You all worry about things you can't control entirely way too much.
We're also one of the top most valuable teams
kicker22
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I will never fault a coach for being overpaid. I put the entire blame on the AD/school paying for him. College sports are a business driven by the mighty dollar. While I may not think he or anyone else is worth the contract they are given, they're no different than any of us and I don't think any of us would turn down that contract.
Barta, not Kirk in my opinion is reason Kirk is over paid. Barta could have let his contract play out or could have structured it differently with a considerably lower buy out, or simply not extended the contract and found another face of the program when the current contract expired.
Barta, not Kirk in my opinion is reason Kirk is over paid. Barta could have let his contract play out or could have structured it differently with a considerably lower buy out, or simply not extended the contract and found another face of the program when the current contract expired.
InGoodCo
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Again, I don't know how so many of you take a look at the programs with turnover at the HC position (which is what this all boils down to, you guys want someone different at HC) that are on similar footing as Iowa and say "hey, I'd rather be like them than us" w/ the exception of maybe WI? But they aren't firing guys either, their coaches have left. I get it - that's a big one....but WI doesn't have a NT. They haven't won a conference championship in over 6 years and not since they got rid of a long standing coach. What programs are turning around their fortunes by getting new HC's? or getting rid of head coaches that win 7-8 games a year? The fact is - programs that win games lock up their coaches with contracts that are outrageous. Iowa should get more bang for their buck and I agree with that, but again, I try and look at it with a bigger picture.
MWS604
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As usual, I agree with your comments and I and not a rabid fan who is unhappy with anything less than OSU type results. There are so many things that KF gets right (player development, excellent character and leadership, moving 2 and 3 star talent from skill positions to lineman that go on to play on Sunday, etc.). My beef is that if he wasn't so stubborn and could change his strategy just a little bit (use the blitz against opponents late in the game, be a little more aggressive about running up the score when the team is hot, dwell more on instilling confidence rather than "cleaning up"). Mixing things up a little bit throws off the other teams and could give us an edge. Although I don't have the stats to back it up, it seems that when it's crunch time for either the offense or defense, we have ended up losing more than winning during his time as HC. 2015 - MSU in the title game, PSU last year, and WI this year immediately come to mind.
Regardless, with our schedule and the current B1G alignment, 8-5 is realistic almost every year. (8-4 regular season = bowl loss, 7-5 regular season = bowl win)
It is what it is ...
ThunderHawk
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You all worry about things you can't control entirely way too much.
We're also one of the top most valuable teams
Oregon is actually worth north of a billion bucks. #nike
