DexterMorgan
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The Kidneys and How They Work
Good enough? Maybe YOU need to do a little research on the topic before you start accusing people of being insensitive.
Updated ESPN report...not looking good...
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The Kidneys and How They Work
Good enough? Maybe YOU need to do a little research on the topic before you start accusing people of being insensitive.
Hawkfromnorwalk
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They are only reporting the absolutely negative side of the story. I really think ESPN was looking for the doc to say that the players would not get better. The fact that he said they have an excellent chance of full recovery didn't really fit into the whole theme of their report. Did you watch it?
DexterMorgan
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No, they're trying to capitalize on a story. Which side do you think gets more people interested?
Here is the deal. If the quote about we'll see who really wants to be here is accurate, then if this gets in front of a jury it might be hard to fight the argument that it wasn't punitive. Not saying it was, just that a jury might hear that as punitive.
The team would have to be able to show very clearly that the training did not deviate greatly from previous years.
The players that would be most likely to sue would be those who are close to graduation and who don't look like they are going to get a shot at the league.
Wanna show me the positive side of the story? There are 13 players that have been in the hospital now for multiple days for a pretty serious kidney problem. Those are facts and they are not positive.
I don't care if it is noticeable or not noticeable. There is no reason to site it here, except to minimize the situation. And yes, that is insensitive.
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DexterMorgan
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There's not a positive side, but it's being sensationalized and facts are being purposely distorted and ignored if they don't fit their agenda.
It's pretty easy to see that.
DexterMorgan
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yeah we don't want any facts or frame of reference around here. Carry on.
Again, what is "their agenda"? To bring down Iowa because they arent an SEC team? I understand ESPN is going to try to dig up what they can to get a juicy news story, but there are some pretty solid facts out there.
DexterMorgan
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again..."their agenda" is to get eyes to the television and their website. The story is much more juicy when you sensationalize numbers.
To add: I have never said, and I don't think, that media sources have a hard on for Iowa. It is just simply the hot story during a time in which not much is going on in the media.
Seriously, hiding behind the idea of providing facts is pretty freaking weak.
Try reading up on social support, or providing supportive messages. One of the key things you do not want to do is what we call a minimizing response. In this case, that would be like saying to a kid who is lying on a hospital bed with tubes in his arm, that even if he loses 40% of his kidney function, he could barely notice it. Sure that would make him feel great, huh?
Or how about his parents? Think that would make them feel better?
Seriously, trying to minimize these kids' experience as a way to fight some ridiculous media war is just not excusable.
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RocketHawk
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Are they gunning for Iowa, no.
Our society sensationalizes everything to get better ratings, because better ratings or more hits on a website means bigger money.
Our society sensationalizes everything to get better ratings, because better ratings or more hits on a website means bigger money.
No offense, but it is a frame of reference. Like I said earlier, losing 20-40% of your kidney function isn't a good thing nor is it something to tossed aside casually. However that number by itself doesn't necessarily mean anything. You can, in fact lose quite a bit of kidney function, and not see any sort of symptoms, and if treated properly can live a perfectly normal life (even if kidney function doesn't remain). What we don't know is if kidney function is deteriorating further, which is certainly a concern.
As for the weight gain, in a previous post on this thread I did some quick math to show that these guys are, assuming the treatment is similar to the paper I read, getting something like 40-50 pounds of fluids being pushed their system. The treatment for rhabdo requires a lot of fluids to be pushed through, so that the body excretes out all the toxins and junk. However if their kidneys are glommed up with proteins, the flow rate out would be significantly lower than the flow rate in. Thus, you'd see a lot of water retention. Now, whether that by itself is a serious issue, or will work itself out, I don't know.
From an article regarding rhabdo, that talks about treatment...
Without further information, we can't be wholly sure what to make of these two claims. On the one hand, they could be signs of deteriorating kidney function. On the other, they could be what happens during the treatment and recovery process.
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And no, CAAR, I have no intention of minimizing what's going on with these kids. I hope to God that they're on their way to recovery, and will be able to play football for a long, long time. What I, personally, am saying is that without any sort of further info, we can't know what, exactly, is going on in those two statements regarding kidney function or weight gain.
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DexterMorgan
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Some people actually like to understand what is going on rather making a knee jerk reaction. It you don't like it skip those posts which provide information.
DexterMorgan
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Quit hiding behind all that book learning and all them words.
hawkeyescott
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And what would be the positive side of the story?
See the difference between EDR's post and yours? He starts by acknowledging that the situation is not insignificant. Huge difference.
Cyclones17
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DexterMorgan
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I assume that's implied when 13 people are in the hospital.
