Tyler Cook Pulls Name Out of NBA Draft, Returning to Iowa

HawkGold said:
Well it makes sense to me. Iowa stinks at offense by about any sense of the word. They don't score off of offensive sets that much. Terrible shot selection. Higher scoring does not equal good offense. I fully expect a much better year. I still think he (FM) is a good coach on D or O. I do think he has a couple of good scorers regardless.

You honestly think with a game on the line that you would feel good about the offense coming with a well executed play and score? We can disagree though. I just don't find much solace in Fran coming through.
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Yes. Fran can draw up out of bounds plays with the best of them
 
HawkGold said:
Well it makes sense to me. Iowa stinks at offense by about any sense of the word. They don't score off of offensive sets that much. Terrible shot selection. Higher scoring does not equal good offense. I fully expect a much better year. I still think he (FM) is a good coach on D or O. I do think he has a couple of good scorers regardless.

You honestly think with a game on the line that you would feel good about the offense coming with a well executed play and score? We can disagree though. I just don't find much solace in Fran coming through.
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I am not sure what is so hard to understand about adjusted offensive rankings around here. Those take pace of play out of the equation and looks at teams on a per possession basis. It doesn't matter what your OPINION is, the simple FACT is Iowa was the 19th most Efficient offense in the country last year. They averaged 116 Points per 100 possessions, that is pretty freaking good.
 
deanvogs said:
I am not sure what is so hard to understand about adjusted offensive rankings around here. Those take pace of play out of the equation and looks at teams on a per possession basis. It doesn't matter what your OPINION is, the simple FACT is Iowa was the 19th most Efficient offense in the country last year. They averaged 116 Points per 100 possessions, that is pretty freaking good.
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Yep...if you want to say Fran can't coach defense...there are arguments to support that thesis. I think its pretty safe to say Fran knows what he's doing on the offensive end. When Peter Jok is your lone 3 point shooter and you figure out a way to get him shots in the half court, well, that's impressive. Jok could get his own shot sometimes, but I wouldn't call him a guy that excelled at it. Fran got him looks and he took advantage of the defense trying to defend Jok.

I've been hoping we would bring in another assistant to help on the defensive end. It's clear we have issues there. Offense won't be the problem. Bohannon, Garza, Moss, Nunge, Dailey & Wieskamp can all shoot the three. There are going to be five guys on the floor that you have to defend the three against. I'm not sure we have had that before. If Nunge, Dailey, and Weiskamp shoot it consistently...and with Cook inside being a mismatch for most forwards, this team is going to be a high scoring team. It all becomes whether we can get stops down the stretch in close games. Last year we couldn't.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Yep...if you want to say Fran can't coach defense...there are arguments to support that thesis. I think its pretty safe to say Fran knows what he's doing on the offensive end. When Peter Jok is your lone 3 point shooter and you figure out a way to get him shots in the half court, well, that's impressive. Jok could get his own shot sometimes, but I wouldn't call him a guy that excelled at it. Fran got him looks and he took advantage of the defense trying to defend Jok.

I've been hoping we would bring in another assistant to help on the defensive end. It's clear we have issues there. Offense won't be the problem. Bohannon, Garza, Moss, Nunge, Dailey & Wieskamp can all shoot the three. There are going to be five guys on the floor that you have to defend the three against. I'm not sure we have had that before. If Nunge, Dailey, and Weiskamp shoot it consistently...and with Cook inside being a mismatch for most forwards, this team is going to be a high scoring team. It all becomes whether we can get stops down the stretch in close games. Last year we couldn't.
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Plus consider this. Iowa was MINUS 2.3 turnovers per game. Without looking, I'd be willing to wager we are the only top 20 adjusted O team that had a negative TO margin.

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deanvogs said:
I am not sure what is so hard to understand about adjusted offensive rankings around here. Those take pace of play out of the equation and looks at teams on a per possession basis. It doesn't matter what your OPINION is, the simple FACT is Iowa was the 19th most Efficient offense in the country last year. They averaged 116 Points per 100 possessions, that is pretty freaking good.
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Ya I know the stats support our position, but just the simple eye test should show what we are saying. The offense is high powered. Some scores were inflated because of barn burner games because of our terrible D.

That said if we actually play defense we can certainly afford to only score into the 70's. Scoring the rock will not be our problem. Turnovers and Defense those are the things keeping me up at night (metaphorically).
 
Ree4 said:
When I was first learning to play basketball at 8 or 9 toward the end of my play session I would shoot 200 point blank bank shots from each side. I've always been a decent shooter so it's hard for me to understand why some people are not able to, especially at the college or professional level - when it's their future. Like Shaq and his free throws? I don't get it, maybe it's harder when you're taller? The ball is in a different part of its' arc but hell, I've played plenty of times on 8' rims so I don't think that's a valid excuse
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Everyone has certain skills they are naturally good at and certain skills they naturally struggle with. Why is it hard to understand that a guy who was so extraordinary at a lot of skills needed to be a good player (Shaq) has to also be naturally good at shooting? Or even naturally average. Shaq was an unbelievable basketball player because his size made him unstoppable. It would have been pretty random if he was also a naturally good shooter. It's almost like assuming a really good runningback should be able to throw a football well, or a really good pitcher should be a good batter too. They are too separate skills.
 
PCHawk said:
Everyone has certain skills they are naturally good at and certain skills they naturally struggle with. Why is it hard to understand that a guy who was so extraordinary at a lot of skills needed to be a good player (Shaq) has to also be naturally good at shooting? Or even naturally average. Shaq was an unbelievable basketball player because his size made him unstoppable. It would have been pretty random if he was also a naturally good shooter. It's almost like assuming a really good runningback should be able to throw a football well, or a really good pitcher should be a good batter too. They are too separate skills.
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It also didn't hurt that Shaq had 7% body fat, could run the floor like a shooting guard and was pretty quick with both feet and hands. Not to mention, he was strong as team of oxen!
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
It also didn't hurt that Shaq had 7% body fat, could run the floor like a shooting guard and was pretty quick with both feet and hands. Not to mention, he was strong as team of oxen!
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That didn't hurt at all. I get that shooting is such a huge part of the game, it's a natural assumption that all NBA players are good at it. But there are rare instances where a player is so elite at other skills, they can get away with not being a great shooter. It's easy to say "I'm nowhere near an NBA level player and I can make free throws". All that means is I'm slightly better at one skill of many that it takes to be a good player.
 
Unless Iowa has a defensive fire in them next year, along with some fundamental defensive skills (individual and team)...Fran's sorry coaching production will continue to hit on 5-6 cylinders.

Underachiever
 
Adam said:
Lol that is old man YMCA pick up game skills. I can promise you that it doesn't work on a D1 or Pro level unless the other four guys are all legitimate threats. If you over use any move or skill too often then it is in the scouting report and a good team would just have the perimeter defender sag on your penetration and swat the ball out of your hands from behind once you made the move and brought the ball above your head.

However there is validity to the use of the back board but in today's game it is better utilized while maintaining forward momentum. Going backwards to make space is usually a losing play unless it is just one of the moves you deploy while you have of full bag of other moves to keep the D off guard. Over use it and it will get taken away.
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The concept is the same. Now and then. Skill, quickness and Intelligence will enable the same tactics to work. Did you ever happen to notice, while watching a basketball game, someone getting faked out of his shoes. Happens every game. You do seem to have watched a bit of basketball......

However.....

I wonder if.....

You have ever actually held a basketball in your hands, Adam. You remind me of someone who has observed basketball on TV, but unfortunately was the classic schoolyard sissy who was schooled and bullied every time he attempted to participate in PE or on the schoolyard playing four square.....

Just might be a game you would excel playing.....

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Give it a shot, BullyBoi.....


Now you appear to compensate for the shameful memories you still suffer by becoming another dime-a-dozen internet ToughGuy.....

So Sad.....


Keep up your informative posts. They are simply delightful.....

Signed: YourBestPal.....Jack
 
revkev73 said:
Unless Iowa has a defensive fire in them next year, along with some fundamental defensive skills (individual and team)...Fran's sorry coaching production will continue to hit on 5-6 cylinders.

Underachiever
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Well that would be over achieving for me lol. I have a 4 cylinder Eco boost.
 
thedukeofearl said:
The concept is the same. Now and then. Skill, quickness and Intelligence will enable the same tactics to work. Did you ever happen to notice, while watching a basketball game, someone getting faked out of his shoes. Happens every game. You do seem to have watched a bit of basketball......

However.....

I wonder if.....

You have ever actually held a basketball in your hands, Adam. You remind me of someone who has observed basketball on TV, but unfortunately was the classic schoolyard sissy who was schooled and bullied every time he attempted to participate in PE or on the schoolyard playing four square.....

Just might be a game you would excel playing.....

0


Give it a shot, BullyBoi.....


Now you appear to compensate for the shameful memories you still suffer by becoming another dime-a-dozen internet ToughGuy.....

So Sad.....


Keep up your informative posts. They are simply delightful.....

Signed: YourBestPal.....Jack
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Lol bro that was a long and drawn out slam post. I hope you feel better getting that off your chest.

I can't say I was ever the getting bullied type sorry. I played Football, Basketball and Track for Des Moines Lincoln all 4 years. 6x Varsity Letterman.

In Basketball I played with a 6'7 kid named Josh Powell who went on to play at Drake. Even at 6'2 myself I could never get a step back jumper off against his crazy wingspan.

I'm sorry that you don't like my opinion, but I stand by that the move is harder to get off then you think. Especially against tall trees.
 
Adam said:
Lol bro that was a long and drawn out slam post. I hope you feel better getting that off your chest.

I can't say I was ever the getting bullied type sorry. I played Football, Basketball and Track for Des Moines Lincoln all 4 years. 6x Varsity Letterman.

In Basketball I played with a 6'7 kid named Josh Powell who went on to play at Drake. Even at 6'2 myself I could never get a step back jumper off against his crazy wingspan.

I'm sorry that you don't like my opinion, but I stand by that the move is harder to get off then you think. Especially against tall trees.
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It's all good, Adam.....

:cool:
 
PCHawk said:
It's almost like assuming a really good runningback should be able to throw a football well, or a really good pitcher should be a good batter too. They are too separate skills.
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These are terrible analogies... you're using highly specialized positions in other sports to compare to basketball. You could include a goalie being good at free kicks in soccer to that list. It's nowhere near the same. Some running backs will never throw a ball in their careers, there would be no reason for them to practice throwing - have you ever known a basketball player to never shoot in their careers? Free throws? Of course they're separate skills, but shooting is easy to practice and teach - especially for top level players.
You could argue certain players like Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace or Shaq as specialists, but I wasn't just talking specifically about Shaq. I just don't understand how some NBA level players would struggle that much at shooting a 10 foot shot or free throw, it's not like it's hard to do.
 
Ree4 said:
These are terrible analogies... you're using highly specialized positions in other sports to compare to basketball. You could include a goalie being good at free kicks in soccer to that list. It's nowhere near the same. Some running backs will never throw a ball in their careers, there would be no reason for them to practice throwing - have you ever known a basketball player to never shoot in their careers? Free throws? Of course they're separate skills, but shooting is easy to practice and teach - especially for top level players.
You could argue certain players like Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace or Shaq as specialists, but I wasn't just talking specifically about Shaq. I just don't understand how some NBA level players would struggle that much at shooting a 10 foot shot or free throw, it's not like it's hard to do.
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The point is, if you are elite enough at certain parts of basketball to make you NBA worthy, it doesn't mean you have to also have the skill it takes to shoot from a decent distance. I could practice all day every day and still not have the ability to do draw an average picture. I just don't have any natural talent. It's easy for a guy who has some natural talent to make a jump shot to say everyone should be able to do it with practice. But some people just don't have enough natural ability to do it.
 
Adam said:
Ya I know the stats support our position, but just the simple eye test should show what we are saying. The offense is high powered. Some scores were inflated because of barn burner games because of our terrible D.

That said if we actually play defense we can certainly afford to only score into the 70's. Scoring the rock will not be our problem. Turnovers and Defense those are the things keeping me up at night (metaphorically).
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High powered offenses don't score sub 50s and 60s observed in recent years.

The simple eye test indicates that. How many of the high scoring games equated to wins over decent teams?

When a good team plays a bad team it sort of becomes like pick up. You mentioned your past.... My kiddo played against a number of high level Big Players so I got to see them up close. Bates-Diopp, Lyle, Hill to start with. Also against a Conf USA freshman of the year. Not talking Drake players. I know what high powered O players look like. J Bo and Cook could be a part of a high powered offense with the right players around them. They are good. They aren't coached well.

Iowa getting high scoring has never led to a big win in the Big. The few wins with high scores were against very bad teams.

Iowa's eye test does not include a high powered offense without the use of high grade hopium. It just isn't there.

You do realize that Iowa's high powered offense scored 24 first half points against Rutgers and 20 at home against Purdue? 17 2nd half points against V Tech? 58 total points against PSU?

It's OK to be hopeful. No issue with that. Be realistic. They have the potential to be a decent offensive team.

The simple eye test on D shows poor fundamentals, slow foot speed, and a lot of bewilderment on who is supposed to pick up which player on D. Ranked in order, the eye test shows slow foots speed, poor fundamentals and bewilderment. 1 of those isn't going to change much except that the "new" guy is better, but not super fast. CM doesn't bring much to the table either on vast improvement except I would guess he won't be bewildered.
 
PCHawk said:
The point is, if you are elite enough at certain parts of basketball to make you NBA worthy, it doesn't mean you have to also have the skill it takes to shoot from a decent distance. I could practice all day every day and still not have the ability to do draw an average picture. I just don't have any natural talent. It's easy for a guy who has some natural talent to make a jump shot to say everyone should be able to do it with practice. But some people just don't have enough natural ability to do it.
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The shooting form is all muscle memory - drawing is not. I understand your point as it's the reality and you're definitely right, but I feel like it's more because there's a shortage of 7' players and they offer enough advantages in other areas on the court that short range shooting and free throws aren't required of them. It's just baffling to me that somebody could be at the top of their profession and not be able to do that. Could you imagine if somebody was as bad at passing the ball as Shaq or Dwight Howard is at free throws?
 
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