Trust me folks, it can get a lot worse

Part of the problem is the appearance of stagnation, of acceptance of mediocrity or worse. It doesn't appear that the coaching staff is prepared prior to or focused during games. Has the game passed KF by? There is a lot of evidence it has. I don't know if another team in the country utilizes so small a portion of the playing surface.

KF's much balleyhooed "loyalty" to underperforming veteran players may warm the heart of ancient fans, but it does little to enhance the team's dynamism. It is drudgery to watch Iowa play. The same below-avg players trot out every series and grind the game to its conclusion, with no attempts to light a spark w/ anything new, let alone actual player substitutions to possibly, dangerously, shake things up.

I'd rather have an 0-12 team that looked like it was trying than what KF is putting out there now. There is zero excitement around this program, and that blows for those of us who anticipate the Iowa football season each fall.
 
I think a lot of the posts miss the important points. HF and maybe even Commings a bit before, built Iowa on being fiesty, in your face, we are Iowa and we are proud. Even if you beat us you'll know we were here. Beating ISU was a must.

Under KF, there is an aura of: I don't care about all games. ISU is just another game. Drubbing an opponent that is weaker is not to be done...maybe even keep them in the game. Truth be known, it seems there is a correlation with going further east and wanting to win more....wonder why?

Under HF we got to see the upcoming players in many games due to the score. We seldom see them now unless of injury.

HF would 'Scratch where it itches". KF keeps trying the same things that don't work until maybe they work....or we run out of players in that position.

HF didn't shy away from qb controversies. He used multiple qbs he first several years. Vlasic was ready to come in for Long and pushed him. Vlasic had an equal NFL career with Long.

Iowa can't go back to the old days. However, some of this stuff does smack in the face of what makes Iowa football.....Iowa football.

Many of us don't mind the losses as much as seeing the same things fail over and over again. Would rather have an 8-4 team that is a gamer than an 8-4 team that plays not to lose and under achieves.

I'm would assume the lack of native Iowan's on the schedule would mean better talent. Doesn't appear to be the case and a lot of current players don't seem to know much about what makes Iowa football Iowa football.
 
I gotta agree with the old guys on here that remember, the years and years(20) of just hoping and praying for a winning season just once! The young kids on here have such a small sample of Hawkeye football to compare to... they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths when it come to football tradition! Not to say that I am happy with this year or the last couple of years, but with age comes perspective. I remember Burns, Nagel, Lauterber and Commings....just because it didn't happen in your life time doesn't mean it didn't happen!
I don't accept losing but it does happen, boat if you think that makes me a loser... you are an idiot, just like Scorp says! Iowa has never ever been an Alabama, USC, OKlahoma, Michigan, OSU etc. Those of you that think otherwise really are spoiled. Yeah, we will bubble up every so often and be a top 10-15 program, and maybe make a run at a top 5, but to think we should be there every year is delusional.
 
Frankly, we have been far from crap the past 3 years. .

I think you had the dial on your tv set to the wrong channel, because you can't have been watching this year.

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I think a lot of the posts miss the important points. HF and maybe even Commings a bit before, built Iowa on being fiesty, in your face, we are Iowa and we are proud. Even if you beat us you'll know we were here. Beating ISU was a must.

Under KF, there is an aura of: I don't care about all games. ISU is just another game. Drubbing an opponent that is weaker is not to be done...maybe even keep them in the game. Truth be known, it seems there is a correlation with going further east and wanting to win more....wonder why?

Under HF we got to see the upcoming players in many games due to the score. We seldom see them now unless of injury.

HF would 'Scratch where it itches". KF keeps trying the same things that don't work until maybe they work....or we run out of players in that position.

HF didn't shy away from qb controversies. He used multiple qbs he first several years. Vlasic was ready to come in for Long and pushed him. Vlasic had an equal NFL career with Long.

Iowa can't go back to the old days. However, some of this stuff does smack in the face of what makes Iowa football.....Iowa football.

Many of us don't mind the losses as much as seeing the same things fail over and over again. Would rather have an 8-4 team that is a gamer than an 8-4 team that plays not to lose and under achieves.

I'm would assume the lack of native Iowan's on the schedule would mean better talent. Doesn't appear to be the case and a lot of current players don't seem to know much about what makes Iowa football Iowa football.

Post of the day. Maybe post of the week.

FreedComanche
 
Wow. You sound like a Nebraska fan. I guess it all boils down to your definition of a good year. Here is my definition:

2002 11-2 Big Ten co-champs
2003 10-3 Outback Bowl champs
2004 10-2 Big Ten co-champs
2008 9-4; defeated then #2 Penn State; Outback Bowl champs.
2009 11-2; defeated #5 Penn State; Big Ten runnerup; Orange Bowl champs
2010 8-5; beat then #6 MSU; defeated then ranked Michigan on the road; defeated a ranked Penn State at home; defeated #12 Missouri

My expectations are lower than yours, to be sure. I sat through 20 consecutive losing seasons of Iowa football. We were the worst college football program in the country. A bowl game, any bowl game, is my definition of a good season. I'm as frustrated as anyone about this season, but this staff has recruited well the past 2 years and I believe the future is bright.

Also, for what it is worth, Iowa still has a lot to play for this year. I wouldn't give up on this season just yet.....

Did you really just try to say 2010 was a good season?

The one where we started off ranked #8 and finished out of the top 25

Fail sir Fail
 
I know you don't. I've heard you make the same point over and over again.

Let me ask you a simple question: Are you in sales? Have you ever had a great year, followed by a so-so year? Have you ever had a profitable year in your business, followed by a year in which you took a loss? Lawyers lose cases. Doctors lose patients.Does anyone have "winning" seasons every year in their personal lives?

I'm not really trying to defend Ferentz, but he has had some awfully good years at Iowa, followed by "average" years. Why are you so convinced that he can't have a big season again? Did he get stupid overnight? Did the game pass him by?

It doesn't make sense

What point is that? That "it could be worse" isn't a good reason to avoid change? The only time that change should be absolutely off the list of options is when it couldn't get any better.

I've never advocated for firing Ferentz, and still am not. But it really bugs me when people argue against it because things could be worse. That's a loser's mentality almost to a "T". I don't mind people advocating to keep Ferentz. But at least come up with a better argument than that. There are plenty of situations where changes were made and they paid big dividends.

This program hasn't shown much in the way of life since the 2010 MSU game, and more specifically since Adam Robinson went down. Jon's said it before, and I agree whole-heartedly. That moment was the end of Ferentz's second run. The decision to keep him or get rid of him should be made based on whether you think he can bring the program back up again or not, not "it could be worse than this".

And it may very well get worse than this in the next year or two.
 
No, actually, it is a powerful statement about how spoiled our fan base is. You missed the whole point. I'm not surprised.

I didn't miss the point at all, I just saw it from a different angle. I look at the program and it's facilities and wonder why the product being produced isn't high quality you look at the same things and say because we are still just little old Iowa. And you somehow think I am the one with the negative outlook.
 
Some of the "old timers" in this thread are priceless. Talking about Sales, OSU, and 1973. This is sports, this is 2012, and there should be accountability. Urban Meyer took over a 6-6 team and is undefeated so far (or does he have 1 loss?) with essentially the same team . O'Brien turned an anemic offensive team into a B1G offensive juggernaut. This "it's just Iowa" approach is a rationalization, not sound logic. Better coaches exist, they can be found, and they're found all the time. How this thought process is controversial is baffling. Some people seem terrified of having a team that has expectations.
 
What point is that? That "it could be worse" isn't a good reason to avoid change? The only time that change should be absolutely off the list of options is when it couldn't get any better.

I've never advocated for firing Ferentz, and still am not. But it really bugs me when people argue against it because things could be worse. That's a loser's mentality almost to a "T". I don't mind people advocating to keep Ferentz. But at least come up with a better argument than that. There are plenty of situations where changes were made and they paid big dividends.

This program hasn't shown much in the way of life since the 2010 MSU game, and more specifically since Adam Robinson went down. Jon's said it before, and I agree whole-heartedly. That moment was the end of Ferentz's second run. The decision to keep him or get rid of him should be made based on whether you think he can bring the program back up again or not, not "it could be worse than this".

And it may very well get worse than this in the next year or two.

No, actually the decision to keep Ferentz will be based on pure economics. The football program feeds the entire athletic program. When donations go down and season ticket sales trend the other way, Ferentz will be in trouble. That is a simple fact. You know that is true. Until that happens, he will be the head coach.

Yes, of course it may get worse the next two years. We may having a losing season this year and there may be more losing seasons. I still believe in this coaching staff. They know how to develop players and they know how to win. There are a number of quality young players on this team. The coaching staff follows the rules. A very high percentage of our players graduate. Our coaches and our players give back to the community. There is a lot to be proud of.

If you are going to be negative, I certainly have an equal right to point out the positives.

I sat behind several sets of parents at the Michigan State game (parents of several prominent players). We discussed the coaching staff and how those parents perceived the coaches. Here is what they said:

1. The coaches are excellent people who care about the players. They stress the right values and they are fair.
2. Their kids are happy they play for Iowa. They are learning values that carry over into life after football.
3. The coaches care about academics and are doing everything they can to help their kids get degrees.
4. The team believes in these coaches and believes that they can win. There is a winning attitude on this team.
5. The coaches teach the kids to give back; to give back to their teammates; their community; and to their parents. There is character and integrity on this team.

I have 100% confidence in Kirk and this staff. Iowa football is in very capable hands.

You make the statement that nothing positive has happened since the 2010 MSU game. I respectfully disagree:

1. We defeated #12 Missouri in the Insight Bowl.
2. We defeated Pitt after being down 24-3.
3. We defeated the Sugar Bowl Champions (Michigan)
4. We defeated Michigan State this year on the road at their homecoming. Michigan State was the pre-season favorite to win the Big 10.


Is anyone satisfied with 4-4? Of course not. But if you are only going to talk about the negatives, I have every right to discuss the positives.
 
Some of the "old timers" in this thread are priceless. Talking about Sales, OSU, and 1973. This is sports, this is 2012, and there should be accountability. Urban Meyer took over a 6-6 team and is undefeated so far (or does he have 1 loss?) with essentially the same team . O'Brien turned an anemic offensive team into a B1G offensive juggernaut. This "it's just Iowa" approach is a rationalization, not sound logic. Better coaches exist, they can be found, and they're found all the time. How this thought process is controversial is baffling. Some people seem terrified of having a team that has expectations.

Come on dude, Ohio State is on PROBATION for breaking NCAA rules. Really? Is that the model? Penn State almost got the death penalty and their President JUST GOT INDICTED TODAY. Really? Is Penn State the model?

Plus, do you really think Iowa COULD EVER get someone like Urban Meyer to come to Iowa? Are you kidding me? We have never been able to hire a big name coach. It has never happened!

Is Ferentz bullet proof? Of course not. If ticket sales and donations decline, eventually he will be gone. But a bunch of negative posts on a message board MAKE NO DIFFERENCE to Gary Barta or the ultimate decision.

Of course the fan base has expectations. Why do you think we go to the games? Why do we make the donations and buy the tickets? The expectations are plenty high enough.
 
I didn't miss the point at all, I just saw it from a different angle. I look at the program and it's facilities and wonder why the product being produced isn't high quality you look at the same things and say because we are still just little old Iowa. And you somehow think I am the one with the negative outlook.

You are creating a "false mirage" here. Iowa's facilities aren't any better than Michigan's, Nebraska's, Michigan State's, Ohio State's, Penn State's, etc. etc. Are they on equal footing? I hope so. If they aren't it's tough to win.

Good facilities don't guarantee wins. It gives you a chance to compete. The difference between winning and losing in this conference is razor thin.
 
Sad is the poaster who can't see that he's getting trucked.
 
For $3.6 million + things could and should definitely be a lot better. Coulda, woulda, shoulda ... the program is heading in the wrong direction. In each of the last three years we have gotten worse. That is not a good sign and you can't simply turn the other way and say we will bounce back. After what we have seen this year I absolutely do not see anything more than a 6 or 7 win team next season ... How many average seasons are we supposed to accept? Sorry, but saying "well, remember what Kirk did in 2002 ..." Sorry, that doesn't fly-- not in today's world. Really doesn't matter what Kirk did three or four or 10 years ago ... Look at Cheezit at Auburn ... two years removed from a national title and the guy will be looking for a new job at the end of the year ... Look at what Snyder has done at KSU ... KSU! ... he has turned them around -- twice ... And he has done it with the same sad hand of cards that is used too often for Iowa's woes ... we are little 'ol Iowa ... nobody wants to come here ... we can't recruit here ... our population base is too small ... sorry, don't buy it. Nick Saban could move to Alaska and build a national title contender.
 
Sad is the poaster who can't see that he's getting trucked.

I don't care if I'm getting "trucked". Anyone who says anything positive about Ferentz right now on this board gets "trucked". I knew that when I started this thread.

I'll make a prediction: Ferentz will bring Iowa back and will be the head coach as long as he wants to be. One more prediction: You will never be satisfied with the results.
 
For $3.6 million + things could and should definitely be a lot better. Coulda, woulda, shoulda ... the program is heading in the wrong direction. In each of the last three years we have gotten worse. That is not a good sign and you can't simply turn the other way and say we will bounce back. After what we have seen this year I absolutely do not see anything more than a 6 or 7 win team next season ... How many average seasons are we supposed to accept? Sorry, but saying "well, remember what Kirk did in 2002 ..." Sorry, that doesn't fly-- not in today's world. Really doesn't matter what Kirk did three or four or 10 years ago ... Look at Cheezit at Auburn ... two years removed from a national title and the guy will be looking for a new job at the end of the year ... Look at what Snyder has done at KSU ... KSU! ... he has turned them around -- twice ... And he has done it with the same sad hand of cards that is used too often for Iowa's woes ... we are little 'ol Iowa ... nobody wants to come here ... we can't recruit here ... our population base is too small ... sorry, don't buy it. Nick Saban could move to Alaska and build a national title contender.

Ferentz can coach, but you have a short memory.

Bill Snyder coached at Iowa. He would have taken the Iowa job at one time, but when he took the KSU job, Hayden Fry was our coach.
 
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