Trump supporters, how do you square this?
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Westernhawk
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This, times 1000. Sadly, I agree with you and this crazy "America first means America alone" isolationism won't go well for us.
This was a very weak move by our President. Very weak, indeed.
What happened to the party of Reagan? We are not the "good guys" or the "shining city on a hill" anymore. Europe will figure out how to defend itself and trade with others, I'm afraid. They cannot trust us.
I'm also afraid they will not give us intelligence information anymore, since the goofball in chief cannot be trusted, as he is fundamentally dishonest, not to mention a petulant child.
HawkIowa44
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USA always has and always will wield its influence in what it thinks are its best interests. What it did in Ukraine is an example of this. But wielding your influence (economic, geopolitical, etc.) is very different from violently deposing a sitting government to try to establish a "better" one. That is essentially what we did in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all disasters. That is also what Putin is trying to do in Ukraine. The pretenses we used in Vietnam (fighting communism) and Iraq/Afghanistan (fighting terrorism, stabilizing the Middle East) look weak, in hindsight. But they are much stronger than what Putin is working with (protecting Russians in Ukraine/fighting Nazis).
And yes, I know the Azov brigade has Neo-Nazi ties...but we have Neo-Nazi paramilitary groups in our country, as well, that doesn't make us a Nazi country. And the incredible civilian death toll from Russia's offensive argues pretty convincingly against any concern for protecting citizens of the Donbas.
Your worldview is way too simplistic, why would those be the only 2 options? Maybe part of it is true, and part is a lie? Or part is an error? Or part is an oversimplification? There are many who disagree with Sach's accounting of the situation as overly simplified and and neatly packaged for those looking for a tidy conspiracy theory to explain what is happening. You don't have to look hard to find counterpoints. I have provided one below, and the heavily sourced article I included earlier also takes on this theory.
Jeffrey Sachs and why he is WRONG
Sachs has picked up alot of support recently by presenting Russian propaganda as some sort of economic reality. However it is packaged, it remains spurious h...
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So it sounds like we mostly agree. I just take it one step further and say more than likely the end game of the US was to provoke a war. My two main points for thinking that is our history with wars in other countries and the fact that we picked a country as corrupt as Ukraine to get involved with. The second point is even more dumb to me after I type it. We have a history of using wars to push the military industrial complex to transfer billions in wealth. Then we pick a corrupt country to get into bed with knowing full well Russia won't just stand by and let it happen.
When I said all true or all a lie I meant who knows even if the videos were AI generated or pieced together to form a specific naritive. Both of those things are possible with most things you see now days. I think if the videos are real it only points to one thing. Perhaps that is oversimplification too tho.Your worldview is way too simplistic, why would those be the only 2 options? Maybe part of it is true, and part is a lie? Or part is an error? Or part is an oversimplification? There are many who disagree with Sach's accounting of the situation as overly simplified and and neatly packaged for those looking for a tidy conspiracy theory to explain what is happening. You don't have to look hard to find counterpoints. I have provided one below, and the heavily sourced article I included earlier also takes on this theory.
Jeffrey Sachs and why he is WRONG
Sachs has picked up alot of support recently by presenting Russian propaganda as some sort of economic reality. However it is packaged, it remains spurious h...
Westernhawk
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Enjoy.
This is only a slight exaggeration of reality, unfortunately:
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This is only a slight exaggeration of reality, unfortunately:
Elon Musk Cold Open - SNL
Elon Musk (Mike Myers) interrupts a heated meeting with Donald Trump (James Austin Johnson), JD Vance (Bowen Yang), Marco Rubio (Marcello Hernández) and Ukra...
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kicker22
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No my issue is he has absolutely no insight into anything about these employees other than whether they did or didn't respond to an email in which he (a third party not affiliated with the agency) mandates they respond or face termination. What the end goal is I understand, but the approach in my opinion is still absolutely ridiculous and I'd de offended as an employee regardless of his reasoning based on his approach. Sure it might not be seen as offensive if you support DOGE's involvement, but if opposed to it I'd be absolutely furious.
Hay Man
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Donald Trump Vows To Pull Federal Funding From Colleges That Allow “Illegal Protests”
Donald Trump is once again threatening colleges and university campuses, which have seen pro-Palestinian protests of Israel's bombardment of Gaza.
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So, free speech is or isn't something that MAGA supports???
Westernhawk
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Westernhawk
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I'm no economist, but tariffs have an interesting effect on purchasing power that is a little different from "regular" inflation.
With typical inflation, the cost of goods increases, and wages also tend to increase.
With tariffs, the cost of goods increases, but wages do not increase.
This means less buying power for consumers.
Since our economy is largely driven by consumer confidence and consumption, I wonder what this will mean in the coming year.
Some economists predict a contraction in our economy, which is believable. What are your thoughts?
With typical inflation, the cost of goods increases, and wages also tend to increase.
With tariffs, the cost of goods increases, but wages do not increase.
This means less buying power for consumers.
Since our economy is largely driven by consumer confidence and consumption, I wonder what this will mean in the coming year.
Some economists predict a contraction in our economy, which is believable. What are your thoughts?
Fryowa
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Get ready for the "whaddabouts" and twitter links about to come your way, lol.Donald Trump Vows To Pull Federal Funding From Colleges That Allow “Illegal Protests”
Donald Trump is once again threatening colleges and university campuses, which have seen pro-Palestinian protests of Israel's bombardment of Gaza.
So, free speech is or isn't something that MAGA supports???
Westernhawk
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Does DJT or his followers care about the First Amendment?
Universities have a tough role in safely managing academic freedom, and freedom of speech.
Seems like Big Brother is cracking down on everything that they don't like.
Thats why he needs help from the heads of all departments to make it work. Then it's your boss telling you what to do for one. For two you have to have communication to make it work. Also every single American should support this other than the politicians who are stealing money.
I can answer this one. No, they don't support it and they are actively trying to control speech at campuses, schools, in our daily news. Goofy ass Republicans here in Iowa are trying to get chaplains into schools now. The anti -Jesus crowd (Maga) thinks behaving like King Herod but hiring school chaplains somehow will make the world a better place?Donald Trump Vows To Pull Federal Funding From Colleges That Allow “Illegal Protests”
Donald Trump is once again threatening colleges and university campuses, which have seen pro-Palestinian protests of Israel's bombardment of Gaza.
So, free speech is or isn't something that MAGA supports???
Just learned today there is a plaque made that honors the officers that were attacked by Maga horde on Jan 6 that Biden signed off to be hung in the Capitol - Trump lead GOP refuses to hang it. Can you say evil? I can see it and I can say it. Spade is a spade.
It's very obvious at this point that people's opinion on free speech depends solely on what they're saying. I'm a very firm believer in free speech all the time.Donald Trump Vows To Pull Federal Funding From Colleges That Allow “Illegal Protests”
Donald Trump is once again threatening colleges and university campuses, which have seen pro-Palestinian protests of Israel's bombardment of Gaza.
So, free speech is or isn't something that MAGA supports???
Pointing to the market every time it goes down and ignoring it every time it goes up is a weak argument that both sides are guilty of. Individually tho, let's not be guilty.
So listening to the guy in your video, the first thing that comes to mind is man anyone can say whatever they want. Everyone should probably do a better job of just assuming things aren't fact. Another thing is the guy in my video said it openly to a big crowd. It's a lot harder to get away with lies about history in that setting than it is doing a video alone from your home. That said, it doesn't mean it's impossible that Sach wasn't lying.Your worldview is way too simplistic, why would those be the only 2 options? Maybe part of it is true, and part is a lie? Or part is an error? Or part is an oversimplification? There are many who disagree with Sach's accounting of the situation as overly simplified and and neatly packaged for those looking for a tidy conspiracy theory to explain what is happening. You don't have to look hard to find counterpoints. I have provided one below, and the heavily sourced article I included earlier also takes on this theory.
Jeffrey Sachs and why he is WRONG
Sachs has picked up alot of support recently by presenting Russian propaganda as some sort of economic reality. However it is packaged, it remains spurious h...
A couple points in the video. He bases I mostly around it being false we made promises not o move west. Instead of trying to decide which side of a he said/she said to believe, I asked myself if it even matters if we did or didn't make promises. The answer I came up with is it matters a little, but not a lot. I keep going back to the argument that if Russia tried to install communism in Mexico we would attack Mexico that same day. I still think that's true. It's hard to condemn Russia for something the US would (and maybe should) do in the same situation. So even if we didn't make that promise years ago, Russia clearly doesn't want their neighbors turning into more of a West leaning government. But on the flip side, Ukraine should get to do whatever they want. So there is a difference between a neighboring country freely deciding to install a new government, and a foreign country pushing them to install one.
So then I gotta ask myself, what would the US do if Mexico freely decided to turn to communism without the help of Russia? I'm guessing they would stage a coop to make sure it didn't happen. So I guess in my opinion, no matter the circumstances for how Ukraine changed governments and the US involvement, we are condemning Russia for something we would do if we were in their shoes.
One other thing in the video I found interesting is when he listed the areas Russia invaded recently. A few weren't even recent (the 60s I think?). A few were areas of Ukraine that all were kinda linked into one (I think?) And Georgia which was identical to what's happened with Ukraine as far as they attacked right after the possibility of Georgia joining NATO. So based on the list he gave as an example of Russia trying to expand their country, it seems all of the recent ones also fall into the category of Nato getting involved.