Trump supporters, how do you square this?

Westernhawk said:
Got it. So you're wishing for the end of a democracy?
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By the end of democracy, you mean handpicking presidential candidates without a vote or primary or the vote of the people, passing a gawd awful budget to fund "migrants" into the swing states to hopefully change secure the state, using other funds earmarked such as FEMA funds to pay for these illegals to come over the wide-open borders. Pulling the wool over the citizens of this country's faces to fund it all. I could go on and on and on. Is this the democracy you are speaking of ..................... or is it buying into the scare tactics from the national media? I doubt it's the guy who says the wrong thing on occasion or who has grabbed a woman's crotch in the past.

I find it very ironic that Kamala ONLY won states that allowed people to vote without an ID.

You and I obviously have a completely different view what democracy is, I guess.
 
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Westernhawk said:
Got it. So you're wishing for the end of a democracy?
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LOL.

This ain't a democracy. And I don't mean that in a pedantic way, either. Nothing about our system resembles democracy. At all.

Fewer than 7,000 delegates out of 165,000,000 registered voters get to decide in the primaries who runs for president, pal, and you get zero say in it. that's less than .004% of the total population.

You can give me all the theoretical bullshit you want about how anyone can run for office technically but it doesn't mean a thing. There are exactly two parties in this system and only two, and a measly few thousand bought and paid for delegates are deciding who those two candidates are.

Get the heck outta here about democracy...

Good grief.
 
CP87 said:
I think the left has harmed their own interests in a number of different areas by being snobby ideologues.
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They have. Conservation, reducing pollution, and mitigating climate change should be massive priorities for all of us, but the left has not presented any of this in a way that's relatable to people.
 
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Whatta they know...
 
MelroseHawkins said:
By the end of democracy, you mean handpicking presidential candidates without a vote or primary or the vote of the people, passing a gawd awful budget to fund "migrants" into the swing states to hopefully change secure the state, using other funds earmarked such as FEMA funds to pay for these illegals to come over the wide-open borders. Pulling the wool over the citizens of this country's faces to fund it all. I could go on and on and on. Is this the democracy you are speaking of ..................... or is it buying into the scare tactics from the national media? I doubt it's the guy who says the wrong thing on occasion or who has grabbed a woman's crotch in the past.

I find it very ironic that Kamala ONLY won states that allowed people to vote without an ID.

You and I obviously have a completely different view what democracy is, I guess.
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I meant Trump trying to stay in power after he lost the last election, and continuing to claim the election was "stolen". That's end of democracy stuff, dude.

I agree with other parts in your rant but I'm too tired to reply to all of it.
 
Westernhawk said:
I meant Trump trying to stay in power after he lost the last election, and continuing to claim the election was "stolen". That's end of democracy stuff, dude.

I agree with other parts in your rant but I'm too tired to reply to all of it.
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I think cheating in elections and throwing people in jail for noticing would be the end of democracy. That's not to say that's for sure what happened here (I think it was but don't know it was). But what I mean is if we ever get to the point where you can't challenge the results of elections, then it's free game to cheat in them. The way they invented new terms like election deniers (the weirdest most childest term ever) and continued to beat the drum that anyone who questioned the election is a conspiracy theorist and a threat to democracy, it looked suspiciously like they were setting the stage to do just that. Make it so you can't even challenge elections.

What Trump did was everything he legally could to challenge the election. I've got no problem with people thinking he went to far with Jan 6th (even tho I think it's blatantly obvious what really went down). But the truth is, in the end he stepped down . If he didn't step down, people would have a point saying he was a threat to democracy.
 
You guys are using the term “democracy” pretty damn loosely.

That’s usually an indication that a person isn’t very well versed in history or modern governmental systems (19th century and beyond).

Read up.
 
Fryowa said:
You guys are using the term “democracy” pretty damn loosely.

That’s usually an indication that a person isn’t very well versed in history or modern governmental systems (19th century and beyond).

Read up.
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Don't you hate when people talk about a subject that they're totally ignorant on.....
 
PCHawk said:
Don't you hate when people talk about a subject that they're totally ignorant on.....
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You missed my post where I said I'm not real concerned whether you think I don't know anything about Twitter.

I also don't really put much credence in any statements from flat earthers. I also believe humans have set foot on the moon and don't think 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by a secret society bent on disrupting oil markets, therefore you and I aren't going to get anywhere in discussion.
 
Fryowa said:
You missed my post where I said I'm not real concerned whether you think I don't know anything about Twitter.

I also don't really put much credence in any statements from flat earthers. I also believe humans have set foot on the moon and don't think 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by a secret society bent on disrupting oil markets, therefore you and I aren't going to get anywhere in discussion.
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Oh I saw that post. It was the one right after the one where you lied about knowing something about Twitter. I just can't help making fun of someone who outright lies like that. You just called out someone because you clearly knew they didn't know enough about a subject based on the things they were saying. The irony in that....
 
PCHawk said:
Oh I saw that post. It was the one right after the one where you lied about knowing something about Twitter. I just can't help making fun of someone who outright lies like that. You just called out someone because you clearly knew they didn't know enough about a subject based on the things they were saying. The irony in that....
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What's truly ironic is a guy who believes Elon Musk was put on earth to save the US and who only trusts and believes news coming from a twitter link...no exceptions...calling me uninformed. Reading your stuff is like reading the Onion only better because your absurdity is actually real and you're not joking.

Where's the laughing emoji in this thing?
 
Westernhawk said:
We did have a civil war in 1861. Here's to hoping we don't have another one.
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All empires come to an end. This one's been around about 250 years which is a lot longer than average.

Hate to tell ya but this one is also on the way out. At what speed you can debate....

Look at what's destroyed pretty much every empire/republic/dynasty that ever existed...it wasn't usually being conquered...it was fighting and conflict from within. It's flat out gonna happen at some point soon, whether violently or otherwise. To think there's something magical about ourr of every other "republic" in history is hubris. I've got about 25 years left maybe, and my kid probably has 50-60. It might last that long but I wouldn't bet money that in 60 years it's going to be 50 states still called the United States of America. I do know that I'm not going to get worked up about it.
 
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