Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[Hay Man]

Democracy by Sortition

The Case for Sortition in America - Harvard Political Review

An ideal American democracy is not beholden to moneyed interests before the people it serves. It dismantles unjust and undemocratic systems. Sortition is not perfect, but it is far closer to this ideal than what we have.

harvardpolitics.com

That's a really interesting read. How could we ever get the people in power to allow something like that to happen?

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

Regardless of the outcome of today's election, I will make a few predictions:

1. Whoever wins will pardon Hunter Biden.

2. If Kamala wins, there will be a concerted effort at some point to designate Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. as states, the goal of which would be to add firmly democratic electoral votes, making it extremely difficult for a Republican to win the Presidency for at least 20 years.

3. Whoever ends up the House minority will complain about the Filibuster.

4. If Trump wins, there will be the expected social upheaval, most of which planned and supported by Antifa, and every executive decision he makes will be vehemently promoted as examples and/or proof of his planned "dictatorship," and,

5. The losing faction will claim various types of election interference and unleash a barrage of legal challenges, driving all of us crazy for the foreseeable future.

 

[Westernhawk]

Democracy by Sortition

The Case for Sortition in America - Harvard Political Review

An ideal American democracy is not beholden to moneyed interests before the people it serves. It dismantles unjust and undemocratic systems. Sortition is not perfect, but it is far closer to this ideal than what we have.

harvardpolitics.com

Thank you. It's a compelling article.

In our current state, extremely wealthy people and companies have a LOT more say in our government than they should.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

That's a really interesting read. How could we ever get the people in power to allow something like that to happen?

Never happen.
Unlike many in this country, career politicians DON'T vote against their best interests

 

[Fryowa]

Regardless of the outcome of today's election, I will make a few predictions:

1. Whoever wins will pardon Hunter Biden.

2. If Kamala wins, there will be a concerted effort at some point to designate Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. as states, the goal of which would be to add firmly democratic electoral votes, making it extremely difficult for a Republican to win the Presidency for at least 20 years.

3. Whoever ends up the House minority will complain about the Filibuster.

4. If Trump wins, there will be the expected social upheaval, most of which planned and supported by Antifa, and every executive decision he makes will be vehemently promoted as examples and/or proof of his planned "dictatorship," and,

5. The losing faction will claim various types of election interference and unleash a barrage of legal challenges, driving all of us crazy for the foreseeable future.

I am not a republican or democrat, but I firmly believe Puerto Rico should be made a US state if their population decides in a vote that they want it. 3M population (more than 19 current states), and they have to live under our governance for the most part. There's no reason they shouldn't be given the same social security and other benefits we get. They should also be allowed to vote. Adding another state would also benefit the US as a whole. Good for the goose and the gander. I don't care what their political affiliations are.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

I am not a republican or democrat, but I firmly believe Puerto Rico should be made a US state if their population decides in a vote that they want it. 3M population (more than 19 current states), and they have to live under our governance for the most part. There's no reason they shouldn't be given the same social security and other benefits we get. They should also be allowed to vote. Adding another state would also benefit the US as a whole. Good for the goose and the gander. I don't care what their political affiliations are.

I'm not necessarily advocating one way or another, but, if there is an aggressive effort, you can bet that the motivation will be almost exclusively political, regardless of what a Harris administration states.

It's a bit of a slippery slope, though. The remaining territories would be quick to jump on board.

On a side note, I'm convinced that the whole "open border policy" was initially a clandestine scheme to turn Texas blue, but the idea got out of control and ended up blowing up in the face of the administration.

They didn't anticipate Abbott's move to bus the immigrants to sanctuary cities and the resulting backlash. By the time they tried to salvage the crisis after denying it existed for three years, it was a complete disaster that they are now trying desperately to spin.

Opinions obviously will vary on that issue, but the way it unfolded over such a large amount of time screams intent.

 

[Gibsonian]

I am not a republican or democrat, but I firmly believe Puerto Rico should be made a US state if their population decides in a vote that they want it. 3M population (more than 19 current states), and they have to live under our governance for the most part. There's no reason they shouldn't be given the same social security and other benefits we get. They should also be allowed to vote. Adding another state would also benefit the US as a whole. Good for the goose and the gander. I don't care what their political affiliations are.

No taxation without representation, same as it ever was.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I am not a republican or democrat, but I firmly believe Puerto Rico should be made a US state if their population decides in a vote that they want it. 3M population (more than 19 current states), and they have to live under our governance for the most part. There's no reason they shouldn't be given the same social security and other benefits we get. They should also be allowed to vote. Adding another state would also benefit the US as a whole. Good for the goose and the gander. I don't care what their political affiliations are.

It's like the1850's except the battle is admission of liberal state v conservative state. The only way the Republicans will allow PR to become a state is the concurrent admission of some conservative territory to offset the legislative impact and negate the shift in balance of power.

 

[99topdawg]

 

[PCHawk]

I'm not necessarily advocating one way or another, but, if there is an aggressive effort, you can bet that the motivation will be almost exclusively political, regardless of what a Harris administration states.

It's a bit of a slippery slope, though. The remaining territories would be quick to jump on board.

On a side note, I'm convinced that the whole "open border policy" was initially a clandestine scheme to turn Texas blue, but the idea got out of control and ended up blowing up in the face of the administration.

They didn't anticipate Abbott's move to bus the immigrants to sanctuary cities and the resulting backlash. By the time they tried to salvage the crisis after denying it existed for three years, it was a complete disaster that they are now trying desperately to spin.

Opinions obviously will vary on that issue, but the way it unfolded over such a large amount of time screams intent.

You're probably right on Texas, but I'm thinking the swing states were probably more important to them. If you correctly place 5 to 10 million illegals around the country and fast track them to citizenship, our elections will be as pointless as 3rd world countries.

 

[NCHawker]

I'd be curious what Trump voters cite as 3-4 most important reasons were. What was even more interesting is the senate and house are now Republican.

They'll dismantle a lot of nonsense in Dept of Health and Human Services I hope...but that may be headed up by Kennedy.

The DEI / CRT / Gender Theory ideologies that is inculcated in the schools will be rolled back.

I'll be curious to see exactly what policies ensure related to illegal immigration.

I hope he does not abandon Ukraine, not sure Republicans will go along with that.

 

[PCHawk]

I'd be curious what Trump voters cite as 3-4 most important reasons were. What was even more interesting is the senate and house are now Republican.

They'll dismantle a lot of nonsense in Dept of Health and Human Services I hope...but that may be headed up by Kennedy.

The DEI / CRT / Gender Theory ideologies that is inculcated in the schools will be rolled back.

I'll be curious to see exactly what policies ensure related to illegal immigration.

I hope he does not abandon Ukraine, not sure Republicans will go along with that.

I assume he will push peace through strength everywhere. Hopefully he audits where all of our money went in the process.

 

[NCHawker]

I assume he will push peace through strength everywhere. Hopefully he audits where all of our money went in the process.

Someone said it, when we provide military aid we're just generating revenue for the American AeroSpace and Defense industry. And there are probably people in congress who quietly benfit from that. I think that is a bipartisan deal.