Trump supporters, how do you square this?

I still haven't decided on who I'll vote for. I agree with Trump on a good chunk of his policies (mostly disagree on his approach to Ukraine which I think is personal for him). But while I see all politicians as liars, I really can't reconcile Trump's terrible leadership style. There will be advanced college level leadership classes in the future that discuss what not to do from a leadership standpoint just based on him.

I think Biden was really just a non-leader and Kamala will be more unifying as a leader outwardly, but will be a terrible policy maker that's bad for the country. But ultimately I just can't get past Trump's horrible leadership. I'm just stuck at the moment.
 
I still haven't decided on who I'll vote for. I agree with Trump on a good chunk of his policies (mostly disagree on his approach to Ukraine which I think is personal for him). But while I see all politicians as liars, I really can't reconcile Trump's terrible leadership style. There will be advanced college level leadership classes in the future that discuss what not to do from a leadership standpoint just based on him.

I think Biden was really just a non-leader and Kamala will be more unifying as a leader outwardly, but will be a terrible policy maker that's bad for the country. But ultimately I just can't get past Trump's horrible leadership. I'm just stuck at the moment.
I agree with you for the most part but see Ukraine as an issue that must be gotten right and Trump is on the wrong side of it. We have wasted billions of dollars since WW2 because of Russia. In the long run beating them into a different type of government will be to our great benefit.
 
I agree with you for the most part but see Ukraine as an issue that must be gotten right and Trump is on the wrong side of it. We have wasted billions of dollars since WW2 because of Russia. In the long run beating them into a different type of government will be to our great benefit.
Ukraine is the 1 policy issue that I'm totally against Trump's policy for the very reason you state.
 
I agree with you for the most part but see Ukraine as an issue that must be gotten right and Trump is on the wrong side of it. We have wasted billions of dollars since WW2 because of Russia. In the long run beating them into a different type of government will be to our great benefit.
Ukraine is the 1 policy issue that I'm totally against Trump's policy for the very reason you state.
Letting Ukraine use the missiles we've given them on Russia's interior would somewhat quickly end that war and my hope would be that the CIA could install a government that would hopefully be anything but Putin. Russia is a ginormous paper tiger.

Although I am glad we were scared of Russia for the past 60+ years even if it was unfounded, because we wouldn't be nearly as militarily safe as we are now without developing and paying for our huge military out of being scared of the Ruskies.
 
1) When was the last time you witnessed a politician...GOP, D, or otherwise...telling the truth?

2) Not a defense of Harris in the least, but let’s get real here, amigo. Trump's idea of what’s corrupt and what isn’t ain’t exactly reality. This is precisely what I meant when I said these people will say anything and everything to get folks like yourself believing what they want you to believe without any critical thinking and with no connection to reality.

I mean come on…you seem like a pretty intelligent fella…Donald Trump preaching about ethics is about as loony as Al Michaels giving a lecture on the time-space continuum. Jesus.

The politicians (on both sides) get you guys sucked into their alternate realities and personality cults and it’s off to the races for them.
I'm not saying I'm taking Trump's word for gold. I'm saying I still hold out some hope for him because he's not a career politician. And his explanation for how his first term went wrong is the only explanation that works for me. I'm not voting for him because I 100% believe him. I'm voting for him because I 100% don't believe the Democrat machine that's going on right now. I'm more 50/50 on what Trump says.
 
Russia is tough for me because we've been told we need to hate a lot of countries in that past that we didn't necessarily have to hate. Is the Russian propaganda legit? I don't know. If Russia wants to stake claim to a small chunk of Ukranian land, who cares? If Russia is attacking Ukraine because we are in talks of letting them join NATO, then I kinda side with Russia on that. If Russia is starting with Ukraine and moving west similar to Hitler in WW2, then we are doing the right thing to try to end it with money instead of American lives. Which one of the three stories are true?

Trump says he will end the war fast. Who knows if he can, but that's his policy on it and it's strange that people don't agree with it. It's like people want WW3 just because they hate Trump.
 
Also does anyone find it slightly suspicious that the country Hunter Biden had shady relations with happens to be the country we are dumping unchecked money to?

Everyone knows the story of Trump's son in law doing billions of dollars in business with Saudi Arabia. Imagine if they broke out into war on Trump's watch and the US government started dumping billions of dollars to them. Even if that wasn't enough to get me to not vote for Trump, I'd still admit there's a really good chance there's something up there.
 
I'm not saying I'm taking Trump's word for gold. I'm saying I still hold out some hope for him because he's not a career politician. And his explanation for how his first term went wrong is the only explanation that works for me. I'm not voting for him because I 100% believe him. I'm voting for him because I 100% don't believe the Democrat machine that's going on right now. I'm more 50/50 on what Trump says.
This whole "he's not a career politician" bullshit is so stupid (Was he not the President for 4 years???). If a person is a terrible human being, they're a terrible human being. He's been a terrible business person his whole life and and a worse moral character. Oh, but he's Christian...he's as Christian as the Sun is purple. He's a pathetic leader who never takes responsibility for anything, lies constantly, never pays for what he owes and for some reason so many of his followers thing he's the next Jesus Christ. Man, you people are so exhausting.
 
If Russia wants to stake claim to a small chunk of Ukranian land, who cares?
If Russia wanted to stake claim to a small chunk of Alaska would you care? It used to be theirs and it's geographically close. And before you say Russia "owned" Ukraine so it should be theirs, Russia didn't exist when Ukraine was granted independence. The USSR did, and it fell apart. Ukraine became a declared sovereign country in 1990 by it's own citizens.

By that same logic, if the government in Italy was overthrown via coup, and the new leaders said, "We're not Italy anymore, we are the Republic of Rome," would you think it appropriate for them to invade all of Europe and annex it because it all used to "belong" to the Roman Empire?

If Russia is attacking Ukraine because we are in talks of letting them join NATO, then I kinda side with Russia on that.
Holy shit, man. That just completely jumped the shark. A sovereign country should be open to attack because another country doesn't like the other one making potential alliance? Jesus Mary...

1) Have any other NATO countries attacked Russia to this point?

2) When Finland which also borders Russia talked about joining (due to an actual Russian invasion right next door for god's sake), should Russia have attacked them?

3) Under your logic, if Mexico entered talks to join BRICS we should attack them.

Usually I can see some level-headedness and forethought in what you're saying, but yowzers. This is waaaaaay out in left field.
 
So of all the terrible things Trump has either said or supposedly said, the one thar broke the camel's back was there's an enemy within? I'd say a majority of the country thinks there's an enemy within. The only question is who they think that enemy is. I do agree with you that the timing if the story doesn't make it less damning. But it does make it less likely it's true.

My logic on more people speaking out against Trump might be wrong, but it isn't flawed. Remember my opinion is that Washington is full of corrupt people. Why would i want corrupt people to side with Trump? It's possible I'm wrong and there's not mass corruption in Washington. But it's not flawed logic to think it's a good thing that corrupt people speak out against a guy who is trying to end the corruption. In my mind it would be way more damning if Washington was backing Trump.

One thing Trump said that really gives me some hope is he said his first term he didn't know anybody and was convinced by lobbyists to hire certain people who weren't good hires. He says he knows everyone now and will hire people who aren't corrupt. He also said (and everyone on both sides has to concede this is true) that he had the guts to fire people and when people get fired they say bad things about you. He pointed out during the debate that no one got fired for the Afghanistan withdrawal. If Biden would have fired someone, do you think that person would have good things to say about him right before the election? If he wasn't pushed out I mean.

Kelly is a military man with an exemplary record. His account is backed up by numerous sources, and it echoes similar accounts provided by many more of Trump's cabinet members and staff. These are all Republicans, by the way. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people think Trump is the one to be trusted; he has decades in the public eye where he has consistently proven himself to be a conman, and his self-interest in lying is evident. What self-interest do Kelly, Mattis, Milley, Esper, Bolton, etc. have to lie? You can come up with some conspiracy-driven motivations, but the most simple explanation is that these lifelong Republican public-servants truly feel like Trump is a reckless and incompetent leader.

To the bolded part, it is not the "enemy within" language, it is the rest of the rant. Trump explicitly proposed using the US military to take care of radical leftists who do not agree with him. All of his surrogates argue that isn't what he actually meant, and whenever Trump has been given an opportunity to clarify or walk that back, he doubles down, he truly believes the US military could and should be used against US citizens who do not agree with him. So yes, that unconstitutional suggestion would be expected to rankle a career military man who has fought to defend the constitution and the American people.

And no, I don't think most Americans believe there is an enemy within. Trump is a buffoon, a likely criminal, and a horrible choice for leader, but he is not an enemy. To the extent his criminality is proven by a court of law, he will need to face consequences, like any other US citizen. But I do not support extra-judicial action carried out by the US military against he and his supporters.
 
Russia is tough for me because we've been told we need to hate a lot of countries in that past that we didn't necessarily have to hate. Is the Russian propaganda legit? I don't know. If Russia wants to stake claim to a small chunk of Ukranian land, who cares? If Russia is attacking Ukraine because we are in talks of letting them join NATO, then I kinda side with Russia on that. If Russia is starting with Ukraine and moving west similar to Hitler in WW2, then we are doing the right thing to try to end it with money instead of American lives. Which one of the three stories are true?

Trump says he will end the war fast. Who knows if he can, but that's his policy on it and it's strange that people don't agree with it. It's like people want WW3 just because they hate Trump.

How did appeasement work out prior to WWII? Do authoritarian autocrats typically accept a compromise and then decide they will behave?
 

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