Traveling/Cartwright "foul"

Not4cy and EddyP, could not agree with you two more. I was not upset about the call, more upset that a ref 40 feet away felt the need to override a ref 2-3 feet away.

Reminded me of a suspect spot in a Fiesta Bowl with Texas and Ohio State on a late 4th down. Ref on the sideline about 5 yards from the plays' end marks the ball for forward progress short of a first down. Lead ref 15-20 yards behind the play runs up and moves the ball forward for a Texas first down. How a lead ref 20 yards behind the play know where forward progress was is beyond me.

Look refs, you can have your view and interpretation of what happened from 40 feet out, but there is no way you can have a better view or angle than a fellow official 3 feet away. Arguing that you have a better view from 40 feet compared to 3 feet is completely ********.

That is totally different because forward progress is about angles and someone behind the play can't see the angle.
 


Look refs, you can have your view and interpretation of what happened from 40 feet out, but there is no way you can have a better view or angle than a fellow official 3 feet away. Arguing that you have a better view from 40 feet compared to 3 feet is completely ********.

Well, that just isn't true at all.
 


I hear what you are saying, but we are talking about this situation. The foul happened first. The travel second, which makes it like the travel never happened. Get together get it right. You can't worry about your area or my area. Yes, you are most responsible for an area but you do not just stare at it, you can see things out of your area. 40 feet is only 1/2 court, that is not that far for me to see something. I would call it chicken **** if you saw something but didn't want to call it because it wasn't in "your" area.

So are you saying, if you are the ref 40 feet out, you believe you would have a better view and perspective that a player was touched than a ref from 3 feet? Sure sounds that way.
 


So are you saying, if you are the ref 40 feet out, you believe you would have a better view and perspective that a player was touched than a ref from 3 feet? Sure sounds that way.

Isn't that UNBELIEVABLE cmonhox? Sounds like we have a couple HOT SHOT refs out there, that can make a call from where ever they are at. Coaches get really, really ticked off at those kinds of officials and this guy is all about getting calls right??? Sounds like he is all about making all of the calls himself. He might as well roll SOLO!
 


So are you saying, if you are the ref 40 feet out, you believe you would have a better view and perspective that a player was touched than a ref from 3 feet? Sure sounds that way.

You can't say yes or no to that. Because each situation is different, the angle you are at is different. Could it happen yes. It might not be a matter of me seeing something more as someone missing. I don't see everything. I can just as easily see a foul in front and miss a foul in front of me. So, yes it can happen.
 


I hear what you are saying, but we are talking about this situation. The foul happened first. The travel second, which makes it like the travel never happened. Get together get it right. You can't worry about your area or my area. Yes, you are most responsible for an area but you do not just stare at it, you can see things out of your area. 40 feet is only 1/2 court, that is not that far for me to see something. I would call it chicken **** if you saw something but didn't want to call it because it wasn't in "your" area.

I watch games all the times from stand too and can see incorrect calls made from the ref two feet in front of the play. It happens all the time. I have missed many calls and will continue I am sure, there are times I have missed a call and after it happened knew I missed it and went to the coach to apologize about it.


So now you are saying that you can see calls from the stands better than on the court?? WOW!! And now you are saying that you have a better angle at a call 40 feet away from the play than an official 2 feet from the play? WOW!! Man, I hope that I never, ever officiate with you.
 


You can't say yes or no to that. Because each situation is different, the angle you are at is different. Could it happen yes. It might not be a matter of me seeing something more as someone missing. I don't see everything. I can just as easily see a foul in front and miss a foul in front of me. So, yes it can happen.


Ok....I'm out. This is going nowhere!
 


1. I was 30 rows behind the Wisconsin bench, and I would have called a foul there.

2. My kids spilled a bucket of popcorn right in front of me, and I couldn't tell for sure how it happened. The guy 2 rows behind me gave me the details a little while later. Was he wrong?

You're working under a likely misguided assumption that the ref making the travelling call saw everything that happened in great detail as it happened. That is not always the case, and to argue other wise is ludicrous.
 


Isn't that UNBELIEVABLE cmonhox? Sounds like we have a couple HOT SHOT refs out there, that can make a call from where ever they are at. Coaches get really, really ticked off at those kinds of officials and this guy is all about getting calls right??? Sounds like he is all about making all of the calls himself. He might as well roll SOLO!

It's pretty astounding to me. Just wow... unreal.
 


Just from reading these comments I can tell you right now I would much rather have duffman and Hawk101 officiating any game I am playing or watching. And I've never seen any one of them officiate before (well I might have, but it would have had to have been about 6 years ago).
 


Just from reading these comments I can tell you right now I would much rather have duffman and Hawk101 officiating any game I am playing or watching. And I've never seen any one of them officiate before (well I might have, but it would have had to have been about 6 years ago).

DuffMan is the one who looks like a giant ball in black and white stripes. I'm not kidding either; he's probably the fattest guy I've ever known.
 


DuffMan is the one who looks like a giant ball in black and white stripes. I'm not kidding either; he's probably the fattest guy I've ever known.

Ha! No wonder he is used to making calls from 40 ft away! But in all seriousness, it DOES happen when the other official, 40 ft away, can see the call better. It's called an angle. Say a player gets around someone and the defender swipes from around his back trying to "pick him". The ref close to him might be on the other side, and therefore can't see if he hits his arm or the ball. A ref 40 ft away might be able to see the whole thing.

He isn't saying that he can see the game "better" from the stands or "better" from 40 ft away, he is saying that sometimes he can see a certain call that the closer ref might not see too clearly. The closer ref may think he made the correct call, but as we all know, basketball is ridiculously hard to officiate. For him to think he was correct just because he is closer is absurd.
 


DuffMan is the one who looks like a giant ball in black and white stripes. I'm not kidding either; he's probably the fattest guy I've ever known.

He might be exaggerating a little bit, but it's safe to say a pride of lions could eat for a while if they took down this zebra.

Actually Gravy's just jealous cause I look tall white and chubby look good!
 


Ha! No wonder he is used to making calls from 40 ft away! But in all seriousness, it DOES happen when the other official, 40 ft away, can see the call better. It's called an angle. Say a player gets around someone and the defender swipes from around his back trying to "pick him". The ref close to him might be on the other side, and therefore can't see if he hits his arm or the ball. A ref 40 ft away might be able to see the whole thing.

He isn't saying that he can see the game "better" from the stands or "better" from 40 ft away, he is saying that sometimes he can see a certain call that the closer ref might not see too clearly. The closer ref may think he made the correct call, but as we all know, basketball is ridiculously hard to officiate. For him to think he was correct just because he is closer is absurd.


So if the official 40 feet from the play was looking 40 feet from his "area", who saw the big time shove to another player 2 feet from that official's area? Oh that's right, you were more worried about watching the ball 40 feet from you than everything that is happening 2 feet from you. (That is the cardinal sin of officiating) Or are you so good that you can see the entire court? If that is the case, why have 3 officials out there? Do you not trust that your partner 40 feet from you, will have the correct call?
 
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He might be exaggerating a little bit, but it's safe to say a pride of lions could eat for a while if they took down this zebra.

Actually Gravy's just jealous cause I look tall white and chubby look good!

It's definitely not the Hollywood crowd you roll with.
 







What is funny if you look at the picture that photohawk posted(nice work by the way) is that the official that made the call is standing on the sideline and has a perfect angle of the contact. The official that supposedly had this "great" angle is on the baseline so the Wisconsin player is blocking his view of the contact. Cartwright is behind him. The better angle nonsene doesn't hold water. Case closed.
 





What is funny if you look at the picture that photohawk posted(nice work by the way) is that the official that made the call is standing on the sideline and has a perfect angle of the contact. The official that supposedly had this "great" angle is on the baseline so the Wisconsin player is blocking his view of the contact. Cartwright is behind him. The better angle nonsene doesn't hold water. Case closed.

You are 110% correct, Eddy P! Absolutely, no way what-so-ever, could the Lead Official have had a better angle/view than the Trail official!
 


He might be exaggerating a little bit, but it's safe to say a pride of lions could eat for a while if they took down this zebra.

Actually Gravy's just jealous cause I look tall white and chubby look good!

LOL. I'm sure that's been told once or twice in the b'ball officiating fraternity. :D
 





What is funny if you look at the picture that photohawk posted(nice work by the way) is that the official that made the call is standing on the sideline and has a perfect angle of the contact. The official that supposedly had this "great" angle is on the baseline so the Wisconsin player is blocking his view of the contact. Cartwright is behind him. The better angle nonsene doesn't hold water. Case closed.

To me, they are nearly facing the sideline. And while the contact seems to be on the back, it looks as though its on the complete opposite side of the close official. So that official may have missed the contact completely, just might not have seen it. OR, just MAYBE, he didn't make the right call! Could it be?
 




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