Transfers??

[NikeHawk21]

Christian Vital. He tweeted last night that Fran called him and some others were reporting Iowa is recruiting him so we must have at least two people leaving

Wow, sign me up for that. It may be tough to out recruit the slime ball Pitino and an ex NBA coach, but I'm glad Fran is out there trying to improve our team.

As far as your two guys leaving theory, I wouldn't be so sure. Fran said he wants to get Baer a scholarship as soon as he can, to me that doesn't mean he will for sure get a scholarship next year.

 

[Fryowa]

Only thing I wonder - does Fran paying the way count as a recruiting violation of some sort? Nobody has mentioned that so I assume it's not, but wondered if that is considered the same as paying players..

It's his dependent child, I'd have a hard time thinking that you could take away a parent's right to pay for his son's education based on an NCAA rule. If you go that far where would you stop? What if an assistant coach's or booster's kid wanted to play but didn't have a scholarship?

 

[DJL]

We must have at least two people transferring out since Fran is still recruiting a 2016 guard that decommitted from UNLV and he's saving one for Baer

Maybe nobody is transferring, maybe someone is about to get "Creaned"?

 

[Fryowa]

Some of this conversation is actually moot, though. If Baer fails to get a scholarship I guarantee you the tuition is going to find it's way to mom and dad's checking account somewhere along the lines. The rules are there to be skirted, and there are plenty of very, very wealthy people associated with every D1 basketball and football program. Let's not kid ourselves here.

We're talking about $40,000, not $400,000

 

[Hawk5656]

Wow, sign me up for that. It may be tough to out recruit the slime ball Pitino and an ex NBA coach, but I'm glad Fran is out there trying to improve our team.

As far as your two guys leaving theory, I wouldn't be so sure. Fran said he wants to get Baer a scholarship as soon as he can, to me that doesn't mean he will for sure get a scholarship next year.

Fran said he was going to get Baer as scholarship as soon as he can and he will be one of our best players next year. One guy will leave for sure, they always do, so trim the fat on another player and bring in this guard and put Baer on scholarship.

 

[Knight78]

It's really easy to spend other peoples money, I know. I think Fran gives quite a bit to the University of Iowa and the Iowa City community as it is and to expect him to pay the way for his kids is ridiculous. Again from the aspect of....they could get a full ride anywhere in the country including many schools with better basketball programs and education, they earned the scholarship with play just like everyone else who did (it does still mean something) and there isn't playing time for 13 scholarships as it is. Connor Mac is not a walk on, why because of who his dad is would he do that?

Now on the flip side... if Fran sees it as an advantage (which I agree it would be) and WANTS to do it... I am ok with it. I just don't think fans or the U of I should expect it.

I know many other colleges give the kids of coaches, professors, etc. free tuition; I believe a while back we had a discussion on this and determined that U of I does this. Doesn't cover housing, meals, etc., like a scholarship does but Fran's kids wouldn't be paying at the same level as some non-scholarship, in-state student.

 

[DP5555]

I don't think it's realistic or fair to expect Fran to not give a scholly to Connor or Patrick for that matter. They've earned it.

However, I would agree that the University should at least try to come up with a way to make it more feasible. My uncle was an A.D. at a D3 school here in the state of Iowa. I don't want to name him, but all of his kids attended that school for free (and played sports there). I don't know the difference in rules between D3 and D1, but I have a hard time believing the U of I couldn't figure out a way to make Connor and Patrick's college free or at least give Fran a raise that amounts to the cost of their education. Skirt the rules so to speak.

 

[Knight78]

Some of this conversation is actually moot, though. If Baer fails to get a scholarship I guarantee you the tuition is going to find it's way to mom and dad's checking account somewhere along the lines. The rules are there to be skirted, and there are plenty of very, very wealthy people associated with every D1 basketball and football program. Let's not kid ourselves here.

We're talking about $40,000, not $400,000

Actually, since Baer is from Bettendorf he would get in-state costs. That comes to a little more than $20,000. With Fran's kids, it could be that they could live at home, meaning it would come to a little under $14,000... well maybe even as low as $5,000 (with tuition paid because Fran is a high-level employee at Iowa).

http://financialaid.uiowa.edu/cost/undergraduate/2015-2016

 

[Knight78]

I don't think it's realistic or fair to expect Fran to not give a scholly to Connor or Patrick for that matter. They've earned it.

However, I would agree that the University should at least try to come up with a way to make it more feasible. My uncle was an A.D. at a D3 school here in the state of Iowa. I don't want to name him, but all of his kids attended that school for free (and played sports there). I don't know the difference in rules between D3 and D1, but I have a hard time believing the U of I couldn't figure out a way to make Connor and Patrick's college free or at least give Fran a raise that amounts to the cost of their education. Skirt the rules so to speak.

Correction: they attended TUITION free. They still had to pay any other costs. If they lived at home while they did it, it would still include books and student fees as well as possibly a meal plan.

 

[InGoodCo]

Just to stay in perspective, this is a 3 star 2017 kid we're talking about here who's not even in the top 100 recruits; it's not like he's going to go hop right on the Kansas squad. If he weren't McCaffery's kid we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You're acting like he's Carmelo Anthony or something.

Everywhere I see he's a 4 star, 247/Rivals/ESPN top 100 recruit - went to the Nike Elite 100 camp... most of those guys can go just about anywhere. I don't think he's Carmelo, but to me it seems odd that everyone just assumes Fran's paying. I'm probably wrong. Doug McBuckets walked on his senior year to make room for Grant Gibbs and I think Bryce Alford is doing the same. I obviously see the advantage, I am not appalled by the notion more kind of shocked how everyone just expects it. IMO, if he's good enough to get a scholarship he should get one despite who his old man is.

 

[Fryowa]

Everywhere I see he's a 4 star, 247/Rivals/ESPN top 100 recruit - went to the Nike Elite 100 camp... most of those guys can go just about anywhere. I don't think he's Carmelo, but to me it seems odd that everyone just assumes Fran's paying. I'm probably wrong. Doug McBuckets walked on his senior year to make room for Grant Gibbs and I think Bryce Alford is doing the same. I obviously see the advantage, I am not appalled by the notion more kind of shocked how everyone just expects it. IMO, if he's good enough to get a scholarship he should get one despite who his old man is.

As of a few minutes ago 24/7 has him listed as a 3 star, 166th national composite is 116. Take it for what it's worth because it's all BS anyway.

That wasn't my point so much as that you are misunderstanding the intent of a scholarship. It's not a symbolic, "atta boy" thing that you give someone just because they're an awesome basketball player. A scholarship is a recruiting tool, nothing more, nothing less. And since they are a limited commodity coaches will use them as such. It persuades kids who might not otherwise be able to afford tuition to come play for your school. To think that Fran would use one up on his kid which isn't needed makes no sense. At all.

 

[Fryowa]

Actually, since Baer is from Bettendorf he would get in-state costs. That comes to a little more than $20,000. With Fran's kids, it could be that they could live at home, meaning it would come to a little under $14,000... well maybe even as low as $5,000 (with tuition paid because Fran is a high-level employee at Iowa).

http://financialaid.uiowa.edu/cost/undergraduate/2015-2016

Dollar amount's different, but my opinion is the same; scholarship or not Baer is gonna be fine. After this year and the attention he's earned as a walk-on, trust me...paying his tuition bill is the last thing on his mind.

 

[DP5555]

Correction: they attended TUITION free. They still had to pay any other costs. If they lived at home while they did it, it would still include books and student fees as well as possibly a meal plan.

Thanks for the correction. You are correct. They did still have to pay for books and other little costs, but still the majority of their college experience was dramatically less expensive than the average college student. I know you recognize that. I'm just saying... give Fran a little bump in pay and take care of Connor and Patrick's tuition and bam there you have it. Huge advantage for the basketball program. You get two talented recruits without having to use two scholarships. That kind of advantage is rare.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

Thanks for the correction. You are correct. They did still have to pay for books and other little costs, but still the majority of their college experience was dramatically less expensive than the average college student. I know you recognize that. I'm just saying... give Fran a little bump in pay and take care of Connor and Patrick's tuition and bam there you have it. Huge advantage for the basketball program. You get two talented recruits without having to waste scholarships.

Sign me up for that in a heartbeat. Sounds totally fair to me.

 

[zhawk]

I can think of a MILLION reaON. Save the scollies for gifted athletes who come from families whose only way of sending kids to school is through scholarships.

So all scholarships should be strictly awarded on the basis of need? We should be doing that for every student-athlete, right? Or maybe every student, period. Screw working hard and earning a scholarship with your talent on the field or in the classroom. If their parents can afford to send them to college, they don't get a scholarship. I'm sure that won't in any way affect the ability of Iowa to attract high-level athletes. Or engineers. Or scientists. Or any other type of student.

 

[koralakers]

If I were FM, why would I 'waste' a scholly on my kids? They appear to be great players, but Fran's contract is worth millions. If he uses those schollys to get additional talent on the team (=more potential wins/success= salary increase/contract extensions, which is potentially worth MILLIONS and MILLIONS to FM)
It's not like the McCafferey's are hurting for money with a $1.8 million salary.

 

[InGoodCo]

As of a few minutes ago 24/7 has him listed as a 3 star, 166th national composite is 116. Take it for what it's worth because it's all BS anyway.

That wasn't my point so much as that you are misunderstanding the intent of a scholarship. It's not a symbolic, "atta boy" thing that you give someone just because they're an awesome basketball player. A scholarship is a recruiting tool, nothing more, nothing less. And since they are a limited commodity coaches will use them as such. It persuades kids who might not otherwise be able to afford tuition to come play for your school. To think that Fran would use one up on his kid which isn't needed makes no sense. At all.

yeah, I was looking at the 4 stars in gold next to his name, so must be my reading fail. http://247sports.com/Player/Connor-McCaffery-69924 - they also list him at 116 on their top player list http://247sports.com/Player/Connor-McCaffery-69924 which also has 4 stars next to his name. But you're right, it's all BS and it doesn't matter. I see your point, you've persuaded me a lil ....thanks. There's still a part of me that thinks it doesn't make sense to pay for something you earned the right to get for free either but it's really not anything to argue over. If I had a bet, it would be that Connor is on scholarship all 4 seasons at Iowa.

 

[InGoodCo]

If I were FM, why would I 'waste' a scholly on my kids? They appear to be great players, but Fran's contract is worth millions. If he uses those schollys to get additional talent on the team (=more potential wins/success= salary increase/contract extensions, which is potentially worth MILLIONS and MILLIONS to FM)
It's not like the McCafferey's are hurting for money with a $1.8 million salary.

It's not like having 2 of the top players in the state on scholarship will hurt Iowa either.

 

[Fryowa]

So all scholarships should be strictly awarded on the basis of need? We should be doing that for every student-athlete, right? Or maybe every student, period. Screw working hard and earning a scholarship with your talent on the field or in the classroom. If their parents can afford to send them to college, they don't get a scholarship. I'm sure that won't in any way affect the ability of Iowa to attract high-level athletes. Or engineers. Or scientists. Or any other type of student.

Exaggerate much? Nobody mentioned anything of the sort. The discussion was about how Fran could leave a scholarship free by paying his kid's tuition. Then you blew it up.

Let's say I'm a multi millionaire, huge fan of a college sports program, and my kid is an elite high-schooler who is being recruited by said college. If I can help out the program by squeezing in more talent by paying pocket change for his tuition I'm all in.

 

[Hawk5656]

Why would Connor have to walk on? We don't play 13 players so all you have to do is trim the fat on a couple of players and we'll have room. I'm guessing one of the redshirts will leave and either Ellingson or Fleming