Too bad Mark May didn't catch Sandusky in the act.

EddyP said:
For all we know Sandusky killed the kid and disposed of his body somewhere that night. Would you consider McQueary a total failure as a human being if this were the case?
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I consider him a fail of a human being because he never went to the cops. I won't condemn him for freezing, when I don't know what would have happened if I were in his situation in that moment. Regardless, I wouldn't have sat on my a** for 9 years with that guy, knowing what he did.
 
tm3308 said:
What about the people who freeze, but then follow up that shock by doing the right thing after that, on their own accord? Those people aren't total fails of human beings. They're human. Which is why I separate the in-actions. It's his inaction after the shock wore off that I condemn him for. Good people don't do nothing for 9 years. Plenty of good people would freeze and make the wrong choice on a snap decision.
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No, see, you're projecting and engaging in "what-if" scenarios.
Compartmentalize the McQueary shower encounter by itself and on it's own. It has NOTHING to do with conjecture about what you or any other person would or would not do. This is not about empathy and understanding.
The fkn guy FAILED and BAILED. He's a sh!thead coward and an enabler of a child rapist.
 
I want to know how Joe's can be fired but the other staff , including mcreary can remain on board???
 
VintageHawkeye said:
No, see, you're projecting and engaging in "what-if" scenarios.
Compartmentalize the McQueary shower encounter by itself and on it's own. It has NOTHING to do with conjecture about what you or any other person would or would not do. This is not about empathy and understanding.
The fkn guy FAILED and BAILED. He's a sh!thead coward and an enabler of a child rapist.
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I'm not projecting "what-ifs". This kind of thing happens all the time, even with good people. That's not hypothetical, it's a fact. McQueary obviously isn't a good person, based on how he handled the situation after that moment. What makes him a s*it human being is that he chose to continue enabling Sandusky after he made the wrong choice/just froze on a snap decision.
 
tm3308 said:
I consider him a fail of a human being because he never went to the cops. I won't condemn him for freezing, when I don't know what would have happened if I were in his situation in that moment. Regardless, I wouldn't have sat on my a** for 9 years with that guy, knowing what he did.
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That isn't what I asked. Would you condemn him for freezing if that kid ended up dead that night? This isn't some wacky hypothetical either.
 
EddyP said:
That isn't what I asked. Would you condemn him for freezing if that kid ended up dead that night? This isn't some wacky hypothetical either.
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Yes, it is a hypothetical. He'd be a coward in that instance, but not a s*it human being.
 
tm3308 said:
I consider him a fail of a human being because he never went to the cops. I won't condemn him for freezing, when I don't know what would have happened if I were in his situation in that moment. Regardless, I wouldn't have sat on my a** for 9 years with that guy, knowing what he did.
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I could understand your argument if it involved an addict with a gun robbing a little old lady but we are talking about a naked man forcibly sodomizing a little boy. The boy looked at McQeary. McQueary walked away. There is no justification for that. None. McQeary is a cowardly piece of human sh!t.
 
Eff yes Mr. May! How there is anyone left on this staff is so beyond me right now. Bring in some former players who are not coaches, and have them help the team the rest of the season. Something, anything... PSU is showing me that winning games is more important than doing what is right. Eff PSU.
 
I'm 5'3" and 130lbs and I'm pretty damned sure I'd intervene in some way (even if it's screaming for help, calling for the cops, or being so enraged I'd actually attack Sandusky). In fact, I'd bet my life that I'd have acted. What is the excuse of a former Division One QB who is younger and stronger than Sandusky?

Even if we give him a pass because of his history with Sandusky, how does he support Second Mile? How does he show up to charity events, sit across the table in meeting, and run around the practice field with him there? Hell, I couldn't even stomach the grand jury report. How could you look the guy in the eye after seeing that.

McQueary might get a pass for his inaction at first (I'd still call him a coward) there is no excusing him from looking the other way with an extremely high likelihood that others were being raped as well. He did it because he wanted to climb the coaching ladder. There cannot be any other explanation.
 
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^^ finally! we have another female poster here on HN ^^
 
EddyP said:
For all we know Sandusky killed the kid and disposed of his body somewhere that night. Would you consider McQueary a total failure as a human being if this were the case?
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Honest to God, I hadn't even thought of this. Sickening and I hope to hell it isn't true.
 
IOWuh said:
I'm 5'3" and 130lbs and I'm pretty damned sure I'd intervene in some way (even if it's screaming for help, calling for the cops, or being so enraged I'd actually attack Sandusky). In fact, I'd bet my life that I'd have acted. What is the excuse of a former Division One QB who is younger and stronger than Sandusky?

Even if we give him a pass because of his history with Sandusky, how does he support Second Mile? How does he show up to charity events, sit across the table in meeting, and run around the practice field with him there? Hell, I couldn't even stomach the grand jury report. How could you look the guy in the eye after seeing that.

McQueary might get a pass for his inaction at first (I'd still call him a coward) there is no excusing him from looking the other way with an extremely high likelihood that others were being raped as well. He did it because he wanted to climb the coaching ladder. There cannot be any other explanation.
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This. End of story.
 
cibula11 said:
I want to know how Joe's can be fired but the other staff , including mcreary can remain on board???
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Take a look at how many of these coaches have been on staff. Most were there during the time these incidents took place. Tell me that they dont talk to one another. They probably didn't know exactly what happened but they knew something happened. I see all of the staff getting the boot in the off season.
 
watch the Jon Ritchie interview on ESPN - I linked on Jon Ritchie interview - I agree with his perspective of catching the act in person. but, i also agree something should have been done after-the-fact.
 
We can all say that we don't know what we would have done in that molment and that is fair.

However, from this molment on, since this situation has been brought to all of our attention and we have all had an opportunity to ponder that question, we all now have the responsibility to prepare yourself to do the right thing in that molnent.

There is no excuse to not learn from this horrible incident and put yourself in a similar situation and mentally prepare to do the right thing in the molment.

God forbid anyone ever actually have to be prepared but no excuse to judge and not be.
 
IATrainMaster101 said:
We can all say that we don't know what we would have done in that molment and that is fair.

However, from this molment on, since this situation has been brought to all of our attention and we have all had an opportunity to ponder that question, we all now have the responsibility to prepare yourself to do the right thing in that molnent.

There is no excuse to not learn from this horrible incident and put yourself in a similar situation and mentally prepare to do the right thing in the molment.

God forbid anyone ever actually have to be prepared but no excuse to judge and not be.
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Solid gold post right there.
 
In a way, McQueary is another victim of Sandusky........but that doesn't excuse his inaction. I just don't understand how he could go on with life knowing that sick freak was walking the grounds of his alma mater. If he's any sort of human, he will regret that decision for the rest of his life.
 
edr247 said:
This x10000

All of us would like to think that in that moment we'd turn into superheroes, jump in there, and beat the ever living crap out of a pedophile. But there's no way to know what you'd do in that situation. Shock, fear, disgust, etc all need to be considered. If faced with trauma, it's possible for you to turn and run and not even realize you're doing it. So that a 28 year old GA wasn't able to intervene in that situation is not as surprising, and while people are jumping down his throat for inaction at that moment, I'm not going to push it.

But not going to the cops? Standing on the sidelines with this man, knowing what happened, for the better part of a decade? That is inexcusable.
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Trauma is an overused term. The person who was experiencing significant, immediate trauma was the child. I'm not saying that the GA didn't experience this as traumatic. I'm suggesting that people sometimes have responsibilities as humans in the face of experiencing potential trauma. Thousands and thousands of soldiers experience trauma, for example. I'm sure the GA will have to live with the fact that he didn't handle his personal moment of truth very well.

Turning away from a child being raped is not excusable in my book. It's not okay to let a defenseless person be murdered or raped right in front of you when you have the absolute power to stop it.

So, although I understand that it would be extremely psychologically challenging to come to the immediate aid of a child while he's being raped, it is still the right thing to do, and it is inexcusable to not do it.
 
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IATrainMaster101 said:
We can all say that we don't know what we would have done in that molment and that is fair.

However, from this molment on, since this situation has been brought to all of our attention and we have all had an opportunity to ponder that question, we all now have the responsibility to prepare yourself to do the right thing in that molnent.

There is no excuse to not learn from this horrible incident and put yourself in a similar situation and mentally prepare to do the right thing in the molment.

God forbid anyone ever actually have to be prepared but no excuse to judge and not be.
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YES. Maybe some good comes from all of this. There are so many victims of abuse in our culture. You know several, likely.
 
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