to those that think the future is going to be bad
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No but it does always mean the odds are better.
brach700
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thx for proving my point that class was highly ranked but they have to stay to make a team good.
this what is hurting Iowa the last 3 years, people leaving for various reason.
4* Wegher left after his freshman year after getting 528 yards would have been a senior this year
4* Coker left after his SO season after gaining over 2000 yards in 2 seasons
3* LT Reiff left a year early to the pro's would have been a good anchor for this team to have.
last years teams had 22 2*'s and 16 walkons listed in the 2 DEEPS. YOU JUST CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL with that type of 2 deeps
people wanted improved recruiting you have it, 15 4*'s, 41 3*'s and just 15 2*'s in the last 3 years.
and yet all people do is conitinue to rip these kids and claim KF can't recruit and of those 15 4*'s only Coker, Derby and Coe are not here, that leaves 12 4*'s still here
good, Iam not happy but Iam realistic about knowing this was going to be a rough year
to many coaching changes 5 coaches at new position coaching
a new OC a new OL coach and I don't care if it is the HC's son he still isd a new coach
Woods was a GA and being a coach this year his duties are completely different he now has to go on the road and create his own contacts and build relationships.. the only coach that did not move or have his duties change was Erb the RB coach.
then there were far to many 1st time starters to be expecting a good to great season the onhly real bad loss was to CMU, sorry but losing to NW, PSU, ISU ARE NOT BAD LOSSES, the Indiana loss has yet to be determined, who knows they just might represent the LEADERS Division in DEC
to many coaching changes 5 coaches at new position coaching
a new OC a new OL coach and I don't care if it is the HC's son he still isd a new coach
Woods was a GA and being a coach this year his duties are completely different he now has to go on the road and create his own contacts and build relationships.. the only coach that did not move or have his duties change was Erb the RB coach.
then there were far to many 1st time starters to be expecting a good to great season the onhly real bad loss was to CMU, sorry but losing to NW, PSU, ISU ARE NOT BAD LOSSES, the Indiana loss has yet to be determined, who knows they just might represent the LEADERS Division in DEC
eveningnewsteam
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The future wont be bad. The quarterback in a major issue with this team and he wont be pulled because hes a nice kid and works hard. Hes not at Iowa next season. Good offensive line, capable backs, ok receivers. Defensively they should be ok and have some very good young talent waiting in the wings.
hawkfan2679
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The ISU loss wasn't a bad one, but the PSU and NW losses were. There is something to be said for being competitive, and we weren't terribly competitive in those two games (especially PSU at Kinnick).
blubberhawk
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And our Quarterback will be?????
blubberhawk
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Losing to an average ISU team at Kinnick is a bad loss.
Talk about lowering the bar for the football program..
hawkfan2679
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ISU has played a far tougher schedule, has a better record than we do, and beat us head to head in our place. How does that make that a bad loss?
You can't really use the fact that they beat us as defense against it being a bad loss.
hawkfan2679
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I was speaking more to them simply being a better team...better record, more difficult schedule, beat us at home (versus beating us at Jack Trice).
tm3308
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It's not a bad loss this year. They have a pretty solid team, and that defense was downright nasty with Knott in there.
Montanahawk
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Right, couple the poor 2008 and 2009 classes with ridiculous attrition and you get poor performance on the field. Iowa is a developmental program, but obviously not all talent(poor talent. to be developed there has to be real potential) is going to be developed by ANY staff, and while the rankings are far from perfect in study after study a higher percentage of three and four star players are going to become better players than two star players. Add that we have 10 starters on this team, and another three on the two deep from the 2010 class. That class is more productive than the previous two classes combined add that, while early, the 2011 and 2012 classes mirror much closer to the 2010 classes production than 2008 and 2009. So, almost inevitably, the play on the field will improve. With the exception of Micah Hyde and James Ferentz it's hard to imagine any senior player's replacement being potentially a significant drop off. Even with those two there are freshman that contributed at those positions, or in Blythes case project to that position. The likely compeititors for Hydes postion includes two players who've already held their own as true frosh(Draper and Buford) and another two players, Lomax and Fleming, have great potential. Odds are very good we're going to have stiff competition for that open CB spot. Add the two four star freshman redshirting at DT along with the further muscling up of McMinn, Ott, and Grant at DE for Gaglione's spot. We have eight returning starters on defense. That defense will be better next year: more talented, more experienced. We'll have a more experienced OL, and RB corp-our running game will be improved. We get both out kickers back. That leaves the passing game really hard to imagine our passing game being worse next year. A the likely starters at receiver, TE, and QB will have had a full-year under Davis. At worst we'll know his offense, and while I have reservations about him, he a whole lot of talent at Texas to work with, but there's no doubt his offenses put up huge numbers there, and UT's offensive struggles continue without him(accusatory arrow pointing at Mack B.).
In 2008 we went 9-4 with a tepid new QB and those four losses came by a total of 12 points. We went 11-2 the next year with our only losses coming when the starting QB was out. We went 8-5 the following year, a disappointing year, with every loss excruciatingly close. I'm not arguing that 4-5 with this schedule is acceptable, it isn't, but it's silly to get rid of KF when he's put together top 10 teams, and top 25 teams the last few years. This is a team that's best talent is it's youngest talent, and when it's had good experienced talent it wins big. With some less attrition on the OL and RB we're likely 6-2 now, maybe 7-1. That didn't happen but maybe we start to get some breaks next year, and coupled with better talent we surprise on the upside. Not worried about being back to winning just how much the losing stretches affects getting elite recruits and which potentially limits our consistency and upside potential. Regardless of who is coaching we're going to have to need every bit of talent we can get and fight tooth and nail for good recruits...people might want to consider that before posting page after page of doom and gloom. That potentially drives off some of that talent. One lost recruit could impact wins and losses.
I didn't say it was. I just said losing at home isn't a valid reason for it not being one. Most bad loses come at home. His other reasons were good ones.
blubberhawk
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ISU is an average football team.
Iowa losing to them at Kinnick is a bad loss. Anyone who thinks different has really lowered the bar as far as expectations for Iowa football. ISU will probably finish 8th or 9th in their league this year. The fact is, we suck this year and still had a chance to win that game.
horrible loss
horrible loss
horrible loss.
tm3308
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ISU is average, fine. Iowa is just plain bad. They lost to a better team; that's not exactly "bad loss" material. Had ISU lost to Iowa, however, THAT would have been a bad loss for them.
hawkfan2679
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I'm struggling to follow the logic of a bad team losing to a better team and having it labeled a "bad loss" for the bad team. Our definitions of bad loss must be different.
Sparky
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Oh man, those are some BIG numbers. I'm sure that someone like Ferentz can do really well with that team. I mean, for example, let's take a look at history for some examples of his exceptional use of talent as a head coach.
The 2010 Hawkeyes and the 12 future NFL players on that team, Stanzi, Klug, Clayborn, Ballard, Vanderveld, Sash, Reiff, Daniels, Gettis, Prater, McNutt, and Bernstein. How did Ferentz do with that talent?
