Tisdale would be our best 3 point shooter

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hawkIhoops

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I have watched a lot of college ball this year and I have not seen a worse perimeter shooting team than Iowa. Crimminy, Tisdale can make wide open 3's, but Gatens, May and McCabe shoot bricks. Gatens needs to figure out how to make shots after the first 10 minutes of games. He is brutal in the second half and I wish we had somebody to take minutes away from him. Hopefully Oglesby and yet to be signed guard / wing can cut into his playing time, as he doesn't deserve the time and looks he gets.

Senior or not, for us to get better, he needs to play less next year. I am not blaming him for the loss, as IL is simply a better team. However, he is a junior and someone that McCaffrey has set the table for all season and he has underwhelmed.
 


seems like everyone can make threes against us. NW went off, the pale guy from ISU went off for 30, hell even Minny made more threes than normal against us.
 


i dont think Gatens is the best player i've ever seen by any means...
but youre a terrible judge of talent
 


DaBears said:
seems like everyone can make threes against us. NW went off, the pale guy from ISU went off for 30, hell even Minny made more threes than normal against us.
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Poor defense can do that. That being said, the pale guy from ISU is a pretty good shooter. I'd trade him for Gatens.
 


Allow me to 'mutate' this thread... but not as extensively as the Coker to redshirt or Gatens killed Iowa threads....


Don't get me wrong. These Iowa BB players work their tails off.

IMO, Iowa needs an infusion of good recruits. Recruits who can play offense and defense. Heck, that can dribble and pass the ball, and create for their shot. We've got plenty of standup shooters who couldn't create space for a shot against my grandma - or defend my grandma.

IMO, if these recruits were good, they would start immediately.

On a side note, I thought Cole's last game at Iowa would be a pity party, but this guy has skills. He's got a good shot. He's a good free throw shooter. He's a good rebounder.

I wonder if he could be an effective small forward in the pros? I don't think he'd be an effective shooting guard. Can he bulk up or aquire post moves like 'Sir Charles'?
 
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J10Hawk said:
i dont think Gatens is the best player i've ever seen by any means...
but youre a terrible judge of talent
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And you have your head in the sand. Let's just keep relying on a guy who has never delivered in crunch time. Oh, he is from Iowa, so he can be mediocre and it's ok...I forgot the double standard.
 


Not only can these guys not hit open shots, but it takes them three steps to get moving on defense, which leaves guys wide open to take threes. Seriously, Iowa's perimeter defenders for the most part have the slowest first steps in the conference. A lot of this comes from their inability to move laterally. They need to turn their hips and run forward. You might be able to get away with one guy on your team that can't move laterally, but not three at a time, which is often the case for Iowa.
 


CAARHawk said:
Not only can these guys not hit open shots, but it takes them three steps to get moving on defense, which leaves guys wide open to take threes. Seriously, Iowa's perimeter defenders for the most part have the slowest first steps in the conference. A lot of this comes from their inability to move laterally. They need to turn their hips and run forward. You might be able to get away with one guy on your team that can't move laterally, but not three at a time, which is often the case for Iowa.
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At this point, we don't have a team that can get stops, and that is what beat us last night. IMO, getting bigger, longer and more athletic is exactly what we need if we're going to play stingy defense.
 


hawkIhoops said:
And you have your head in the sand. Let's just keep relying on a guy who has never delivered in crunch time. Oh, he is from Iowa, so he can be mediocre and it's ok...I forgot the double standard.
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Well said and very true. People that throw out percentages to mask the fact that the next clutch shot he hits will be his 1st. It's not the percentage you shoot, it's when you make them that counts. Much like free throws.
 


PatrickAdamovicz said:
Well said and very true. People that throw out percentages to mask the fact that the next clutch shot he hits will be his 1st. It's not the percentage you shoot, it's when you make them that counts. Much like free throws.
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I hate to say it, but even the percentages indicate that Gatens is not a great outside shooter:
Matt Gatens Stats, News, Photos - Iowa Hawkeyes - ESPN

He shot a very-solid 40% from 3 as a freshman, but has been below 35% in the last two years since.
 


Gatens percentage has also been, IMO, a function of the people around him. Teams know he is the only legit outside threat Iowa has, and they never leave him because of it.
 




DaBears said:
seems like everyone can make threes against us. NW went off, the pale guy from ISU went off for 30, hell even Minny made more threes than normal against us.
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Yes, perimeter defense is not a strength.

However, Iowa's 3Pt FG% D ranks higher than four others teams in the B10
 




I do not understand Jon's comment about Gatens. I'm not blaming him for the losses as he's just a part of the team, however Matt has had a ton of open looks and has come up empty on plenty of them especially in tight situations. Also Basabe has started getting doubled a lot lately which has also opened up shots and Cartwright has distributed the ball for open looks a plenty. Point being is Iowa just doesn't have good enough shooters.
 


I agree about PA's response to Jon. It isn't that we are concerned about Gatens' overall 3 point stats. The issue is that he is missing shots where the defense has most definitely "left him."
 


PatrickAdamovicz said:
I do not understand Jon's comment about Gatens. I'm not blaming him for the losses as he's just a part of the team, however Matt has had a ton of open looks and has come up empty on plenty of them especially in tight situations. Also Basabe has started getting doubled a lot lately which has also opened up shots and Cartwright has distributed the ball for open looks a plenty. Point being is Iowa just doesn't have good enough shooters.
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Quoted for truth.

Gatens is not a bad player at all. But he IS overhyped as a shooter. He's okay, not great. You can't miss the kind of looks he's been getting and be considered a good/great shooter. And he's certainly not an assassin. Farokhmanesh shot like 34% last year (About the same as Gatens), but I'd take him in a heartbeat, because he's got ice in his veins. Gatens doesn't hit that shot to beat Kansas if he were in that spot. And that's what we're getting at.
 




Not needing another PG is completely contigent on Cully being ready to go and Iowa having a real shot at a ready to play freshman PG in 2012. Without either of these things in the bank, I think you still have to go with point, because you have to let Marble move away from having to play the point.

I actually feel that Iowa needs four players this year. Two true power players, a high percentage outside shooter, and a combo guard that can distribute or post up smaller guards.

However, if Iowa just got a 30 + minute power player and Ogeslby proved to be a better outside shooter than I expect, then the power player and a big aggressive, defensively minded combo guard would probably be enough.

Keep in mind that I expect White to really work well with Basabe. But I see them as more of a 3/4 combo than and 4/5 combo. Shorter 4's often work better with longer 3 types.
 
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I am hoping White will be a more athletic Tisdale, but an effective pick and pop 3-pt shooter. He will have the length to get it off. Anybody remember Matt Bullard?
 


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