Time to punt?

[Mike O'Connor]

I know these are just kids and I really don't want to be a critical, but enough is enough isn't it? Iowa's punt game reminds me of high school when our right guard was also the punter. His kicks would travel about 25 yards in the air and we'd hope for a good roll... Field position has KILLED us the last two weeks and our punt game is not helping at all in that regard. I find it hard to believe they don't have a better option. By the way, how many times have we had the field flipped on us this year by kids that are actually scholarship players bombing 50 and 60-yarders...?

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I know these are just kids and I really don't want to be a critical, but enough is enough isn't it? Iowa's punt game reminds me of high school when our right guard was also the punter. His kicks would travel about 25 yards in the air and we'd hope for a good roll... Field position has KILLED us the last two weeks and our punt game is not helping at all in that regard. I find it hard to believe they don't have a better option. By the way, how many times have we had the field flipped on us this year by kids that are actually scholarship players bombing 50 and 60-yarders...?

Very true. We need a new punter.

 

[HawkGold]

Very true. We need a new punter.

To avoid what happened thats like a CEO blaming the jsnitor for poor profits. Its like Wells Fargo blaming sales managers for fake accounts.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

To avoid what happened thats like a CEO blaming the jsnitor for poor profits. Its like Wells Fargo blaming sales managers for fake accounts.

So, we don't need improved Punting?

 

[HawkGold]

So, we don't need improved Punting?

A waste until the real issue is fixed.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

A waste until the real issue is fixed.

Not a zero sum game. One of those things is fixable short term, the other isnt.

And it's not a waste when your losing games by 1 possession and/or 1 inch.

 

[HawkGold]

Not a zero sum game. One of those things is fixable short term, the other isnt.

And it's not a waste when your losing games by 1 possession and/or 1 inch.

The stem is designed for 1 possession games win or lose. With a better punter that doesnt change.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

The stem is designed for 1 possession games win or lose. With a better punter that doesnt change.

You don't think a better punting game increases the odds of winning in a 1 possession type game?. The fact is it's absolutely crucial in a ball control/field position system.

I'm not talking about the overall system, I'm talking about a better punting game. We need one to help win games.

Your desire to argue is well noted, but there is nothing to argue here. Better punting is always important, even more so when you play strategy we do. Whether you think that strategy is the right one is another topic.

 

[HawkGold]

You don't think a better punting game increases the odds of winning in a 1 possession type game?. The fact is it's absolutely crucial in a ball control/field position system.

I'm not talking about the overall system, I'm talking about a better punting game. We need one to help win games.

Your desire to argue is well noted, but there is nothing to argue here. Better punting is always important, even more so when you play strategy we do. Whether you think that strategy is the right one is another topic.

Not arguing... I just dont agree with the premice nor do I think its worthwhile to call out players while there is so much wrong.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Not arguing... I just dont agree with the premice nor do I think its worthwhile to call out players while there is so much wrong.

Didn't call out a player, never mentioned a name at all, please don't put words in my mouth, stated punting needs to be better, to give us better chance to gain field position, and have a better chance to win, and it's true. It's not a premise, it's a fact.

There is plenty wrong, but this thread is about punting, which is one of the things wrong.

Arguing, making the case for something non-topic related, or attempting to derail subject to another issue...semantics.

The proof is right up there ^^^^^, in the posts above.

Let's be real here, it's your right to do so in an open forum, and you do it a ton. It's ok, I just wasn't feeling like letting it slide this time.

Good day sir.

 

[HawkGold]

Didn't call out a player, never mentioned a name at all, please don't put words in my mouth, stated punting needs to be better, to give us better chance to gain field position, and have a better chance to win, and it's true. It's not a premise, it's a fact.

There is plenty wrong, but this thread is about punting, which is one of the things wrong.

Arguing, making the case for something non-topic related, or attempting to derail subject to another issue...semantics.

The proof is right up there ^^^^^, in the posts above.

Let's be real here, it's your right to do so in an open forum, and you do it a ton. It's ok, I just wasn't feeling like letting it slide this time.

Good day sir.

Youbare entitled. Since there is one punter we know who it is. Suggestions on his technique? Weve been through these threads....qbs, rbs, slow lb and so on. The main problem is the problem. This year we are trying to score at the end against good teams. Other years it trying to keep them from scoring at the end. No the punter wont matter. In some years the stars align. In other years they dont. In most we win some and lose some. Things dont change

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Youbare entitled. Since there is one punter we know who it is. Suggestions on his technique? Weve been through these threads....qbs, rbs, slow lb and so on. The main problem is the problem. This year we are trying to score at the end against good teams. Other years it trying to keep them from scoring at the end. No the punter wont matter. In some years the stars align. In other years they dont. In most we win some and lose some. Things dont change

Or, maybe our current punter might improve, as others have, I hope he does. Punting does matter. This thread is about punting, not the "main problem", apparently a tough concept.

Sometimes the stars do align, sometimes they don't, and that absolutely has nothing to do with this topic.

I said good day. But somehow I knew you'd really want the last word...go ahead...its yours.

 

[HawkGold]

Good night....

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I know these are just kids and I really don't want to be a critical, but enough is enough isn't it? Iowa's punt game reminds me of high school when our right guard was also the punter. His kicks would travel about 25 yards in the air and we'd hope for a good roll... Field position has KILLED us the last two weeks and our punt game is not helping at all in that regard. I find it hard to believe they don't have a better option. By the way, how many times have we had the field flipped on us this year by kids that are actually scholarship players bombing 50 and 60-yarders...?

Nate Stanley averaged 49+ yds a punt 3yrs in high school and had all conf honors as a punter. I brought this up in a thread a while back. Just say'in Ferentz's!!

 

[vork22]

Nate Stanley averaged 49+ yds a punt 3yrs in high school and had all conf honors as a punter. I brought this up in a thread a while back. Just say'in Ferentz's!!

You don't want your starting QB pulling a hamstring or worse trying to be George Blanda. I just wish our punter would kick a normal punt with hang time.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

You don't want your starting QB pulling a hamstring or worse trying to be George Blanda. I just wish our punter would kick a normal punt with hang time.

Oh I know. I just found funny that we have a QB on the roster that had a terrific punt average. Took me back to Dallas Cowboys Danny White days.

Now that you mention it, I don't ever recall an Iowa punter having a hammy issues. Hmmm.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

HawkGold - Having good punting has always been imperative for KF teams to succeed. I think every one of the 10+ win teams for KF had a solid punter that could turn the field or bang punts inside the 20. It is so important for his style.

 

[InGoodCo]

Punter... now that is a legit gripe that deserves some uproar. Put the offense in a horrible spot the entire game.

 

[HawkGold]

HawkGold - Having good punting has always been imperative for KF teams to succeed. I think every one of the 10+ win teams for KF had a solid punter that could turn the field or bang punts inside the 20. It is so important for his style.

I totally get that. Still, it's the system. Except for when the stars align or don't align, we are going to come here and complain about the results. One year, the QB. The next no running game. This year punting. The mechanics of the issues change, but the fundamentals don't. The fundamentals are that KF coaches for 1 possession games against better (and sometimes not so good) teams. Until that changes, things won't change. Correct the punting and it will be something else. We can't stop anyone between the 2's. We can't move the ball for 2/3 of a game.

This issue is not punting. The issue is the system.

 

[InGoodCo]

I totally get that. Still, it's the system. Except for when the stars align or don't align, we are going to come here and complain about the results. One year, the QB. The next no running game. This year punting. The mechanics of the issues change, but the fundamentals don't. The fundamentals are that KF coaches for 1 possession games against better (and sometimes not so good) teams. Until that changes, things won't change. Correct the punting and it will be something else. We can't stop anyone between the 2's. We can't move the ball for 2/3 of a game.

This issue is not punting. The issue is the system.

Iowa has had plenty of good punters, so no, it has nothing to do with the system as you can go back and look at all the ones who have worked. College Football is turnover when players lose eligibility, so you are bound to see that every year at every position. If Iowa was not annually winning more then they lose, I would call it systemic.