Tiger Woods- stick a fork in him!

shonblatt said:
DuffMan said:
jack was a great player but he did it against far weaker fields. he didnt play agaimst the worlds elite like tiger does. hell back them it wasnt uncommon for a player to not play the brittish open because of the travel. now the best players from around the world play on the pga every week. KJ Choi, Angel Cabrera, World number one Luke Donald, Vijay Sing, Padrig Harrington....The list is endless. Go count the number of non us born major winners over the last ten years and do the same for any ten of Jacks career amd get back to me.Tiger is much better than Jack.
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Players Jack had to go up against:Arnold Palmer (7 majors)Gary Player (9 majors)Lee Trevino (5 majors)Ray Floyd (4 majors)Tom Watson (8)Hale Irwin (3)Seve Ballesteros (5)Also Johnny Miller, Billy Casper, Fuzzy Zoeller, and a host of other excellent players from that era.Today's fields are deeper from 1-100, but the top 20 from the 60s and 70s are probably better than today's top 20.In addition to Jack's 18 major wins, he had 38 other top 5 finishes in majors. His consistency was astounding.
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you just named 10 golfers and your list got pretty weak towards the end. you could name 100 golfers from todays game before you got to someone with fuzzy zoellers ability
 
DuffMan said:
jack was a great player but he did it against far weaker fields. he didnt play agaimst the worlds elite like tiger does. hell back them it wasnt uncommon for a player to not play the brittish open because of the travel. now the best players from around the world play on the pga every week. KJ Choi, Angel Cabrera, World number one Luke Donald, Vijay Sing, Padrig Harrington....

The list is endless. Go count the number of non us born major winners over the last ten years and do the same for any ten of Jacks career amd get back to me.

Tiger is much better than Jack.
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This is true, but it is also a silly argument to compare different eras directly.


Tiger is "better" now then Jack was then, but if Jack turned pro in 1995, I think it is safe to say that their level of greatness would be pretty similar.
 
Tiger is playing like crap so far today. +1 on a very easy course. Already 6 back of the leader.
 
PCHawk said:
shonblatt said:
DuffMan said:
jack was a great player but he did it against far weaker fields. he didnt play agaimst the worlds elite like tiger does. hell back them it wasnt uncommon for a player to not play the brittish open because of the travel. now the best players from around the world play on the pga every week. KJ Choi, Angel Cabrera, World number one Luke Donald, Vijay Sing, Padrig Harrington....The list is endless. Go count the number of non us born major winners over the last ten years and do the same for any ten of Jacks career amd get back to me.Tiger is much better than Jack.
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Players Jack had to go up against:Arnold Palmer (7 majors)Gary Player (9 majors)Lee Trevino (5 majors)Ray Floyd (4 majors)Tom Watson (8)Hale Irwin (3)Seve Ballesteros (5)Also Johnny Miller, Billy Casper, Fuzzy Zoeller, and a host of other excellent players from that era.Today's fields are deeper from 1-100, but the top 20 from the 60s and 70s are probably better than today's top 20.In addition to Jack's 18 major wins, he had 38 other top 5 finishes in majors. His consistency was astounding.
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you just named 10 golfers and your list got pretty weak towards the end. you could name 100 golfers from todays game before you got to someone with fuzzy zoellers ability
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again, look at the majors over the last ten years and look at how many were non us players. then look at any ten years of jacks career and try to tell me its even comparable.
 
DuffMan said:
PCHawk said:
shonblatt said:
DuffMan said:
jack was a great player but he did it against far weaker fields. he didnt play agaimst the worlds elite like tiger does. hell back them it wasnt uncommon for a player to not play the brittish open because of the travel. now the best players from around the world play on the pga every week. KJ Choi, Angel Cabrera, World number one Luke Donald, Vijay Sing, Padrig Harrington....The list is endless. Go count the number of non us born major winners over the last ten years and do the same for any ten of Jacks career amd get back to me.Tiger is much better than Jack.
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Players Jack had to go up against:Arnold Palmer (7 majors)Gary Player (9 majors)Lee Trevino (5 majors)Ray Floyd (4 majors)Tom Watson (8)Hale Irwin (3)Seve Ballesteros (5)Also Johnny Miller, Billy Casper, Fuzzy Zoeller, and a host of other excellent players from that era.Today's fields are deeper from 1-100, but the top 20 from the 60s and 70s are probably better than today's top 20.In addition to Jack's 18 major wins, he had 38 other top 5 finishes in majors. His consistency was astounding.
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you just named 10 golfers and your list got pretty weak towards the end. you could name 100 golfers from todays game before you got to someone with fuzzy zoellers ability
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again, look at the majors over the last ten years and look at how many were non us players. then look at any ten years of jacks career and try to tell me its even comparable.
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That's because at that time the US dominated with the best players, except for Gary Player. It's different today. Golf is a more international game today. Yes I know it started in Scotland.
 
Are we sticking a fork in Mickelson as well?

Maybe Sergio Garcia, oh wait, you have to win something before on can have a fork stuck in them.

McIlroy? Harrington? Singh?

Why do golf threads have to just be about Tiger? There are other players that have fallen off a cliff much further than him, but yet when he misses a cut...a whole 8 in his career, it is an event.

I have been waiting for the 4-Letter to say something like this: "With Tiger Woods missing the cut, does that jeopardize his Rider Cup spot?"

The guy made a tragic mistake in his life and is trying to move past it. He didn't kill or rape anyone...by no means am I saying he didn't do anything wrong...it is humerous the overreaction to his golf game when he has had injuries and changing his swing. Funny thing is he has missed 2 cuts this year, but would be ranked No. 1 again if he had played in the minimum amount of tournaments...he is so done.

At one point, I felt like he should just keep his driver in the bag and tee off with his 3-wood and he would win every week as he could hit that 300 yds in his sleep and anywhere in the fairway he wanted it to be. That has changed as he has changed his swing and the injuries he has had, but in time he will get back to that point, guy is just too good.

Tiger will break Jack's record, but anyone in a PGA tournament field can win today, it isn't going to be easy by any means. It will just take a little longer to do so.
 
Maybe it's his arthritis, or maybe you just can't spray your tee ball wily nilly on the links courses into the hay or bunkers and expect to score. You have to have some discipline off the tee.
 
3 years later...tiger is what 0-12? The fork was stuck in him in 2010. This guy is a shell of his former self and doesnt have the mental toughness come major time.
 
This thread just got a huge bump. Someone must have had it bookmarked. Yep tiger is scuffling this week, not putting well , he is striking the ball pretty well but you have to make a bunch of putts.

But a lot of great players are off this week. tough if you cant find the fairways.

I would love to see those players at the top continue the great play and have 4 or 5 guys in it at the end
 
I think the ABT's can rest comfortably and watch what may be a great finish tomorrow. This is a good time to make a prediction so I will go with Justin Rose. Just a hunch for fun. Zach is 8 strokes back but it would be fun to see him get on a roll. NLG
 
iahawk20 said:
Hi Trapperjon :)
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Hi hawk20. You must have been setting up the Weber smoker last week and missed when Tiger lapped the field. Nearest guy to him was 7 strokes back:

Place Player Score
1 Tiger Woods -15
T2 Keegan Bradley -8
T2 Henrik Stenson -8
T4 Zach Johnson -6
T4 Miguel A. Jimenez -6
T4 Jason Dufner -6
T7 Bill Haas -5
T7 Chris Wood -5
T9 Martin Kaymer -4
T9 Jim Furyk -4
T9 Richard Sterne -4
T9 Luke Donald -4
13 Steve Stricker -3
T14 Webb Simpson -2
T14 Harris English -2
T14 Adam Scott -2
T17 Jamie Donaldson -1
T17 Justin Rose -1
T19 Ian Poulter E
T19 John Merrick E
T21 Michael Thompson 1
T21 Charl Schwartzel 1
T21 Bo Van Pelt 1
T21 Hideki Matsuyama 1
T21 Phil Mickelson 1
T21 Rickie Fowler 1
T27 Russell Henley 2
T27 Paul Casey 2
T27 Paul Lawrie 2
T27 Matt Kuchar 2
T27 Rory McIlroy 2
T27 Bubba Watson 2
T33 Dustin Johnson 3
T33 Boo Weekley 3
T33 Brandt Snedeker 3
T33 Peter Hanson 3
T33 Ryan Moore 3
T38 Gonzalo Fdez-Castano 4
T38 Angel Cabrera 4
T40 Sergio Garcia 5
T40 Graeme McDowell 5
T40 Lee Westwood 5
T40 Kiradech Aphibarnrat 5
T44 Billy Horschel 6
T44 Stephen Gallacher 6
T44 Nick Watney 6
T44 Francesco Molinari 6

And, if you look at the competition it had most of the heavy hitters competing.

Oh, You're boy Phil is 6 strokes behind Tiger as of Saturday in this years PGA championship. You may want to pick a better timeframe next time you want to 'stick a fork in him' again. Just because he hasn't won a major in awhile does not mean he won't. Just a matter of time.
 
Hey 20, have ya looked at the 2013 money list?

1 1 Tiger*Woods 11 7,659,119 7,659,118.82
2 2 Phil*Mickelson 16 4,941,977 4,941,976.55
3 3 Matt*Kuchar 18 4,931,408 4,931,408.44
4 4 Brandt*Snedeker 17 4,897,911 4,897,910.80
5 6 Justin*Rose 12 3,125,310 3,125,310.00
6 5 Billy*Horschel 21 3,117,543 3,117,543.19
7 7 Bill*Haas 19 3,107,296 3,107,295.83
8 12 Keegan*Bradley 20 3,043,446 3,043,445.93
9 8 Adam*Scott 11 2,902,513 2,902,513.18
10 16 Henrik*Stenson 13 2,896,003 2,896,003.15

Lapping the field there too. Your timing with the fork is seriously suspect.

Tiger's only played in 11 events to Phil's 16. Try harder.
 
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How about Championship points:

RANK
THIS
WEEK RANK
LAST
WEEK PLAYER EVENTS POINTS
1 1 Tiger*Woods 1 1,500,000
2 7 Keegan*Bradley 1 692,500
2 28 Henrik*Stenson 1 692,500
4 128 Gary*Woodland 1 540,000
5 57 Jason*Dufner 1 321,667
5 220 Miguel*Jimenez 1 321,667
5 39 Zach*Johnson 1 321,667
8 200 Jonathan*Byrd 1 264,000
8 132 Andres*Romero 1 264,000
10 11 Bill*Haas 1 205,000
10 235 Chris*Wood 1 205,000
12 33 Luke*Donald 1 145,750
12 20 Jim*Furyk 1 145,750
12 133 Martin*Kaymer 1 145,750
12 178 Richard*Sterne 1 145,750
16 113 Brendan*Steele 1 144,000
17 183 David*Mathis 1 114,000
17 152 Dicky*Pride 1 114,000
17 10 Steve*Stricker 1 114,000
20 26 Harris*English 1 102,667
20 8 Adam*Scott 1 102,667
20 23 Webb*Simpson 1 102,667
23 135 Seung-Yul*Noh 1 96,750
23 126 Rory*Sabbatini 1 96,750
25 157 Jamie*Donaldson 1 93,000
25 6 Justin*Rose 1 93,000
27 40 John*Merrick 1 89,000
27 36 Ian*Poulter 1 89,000
29 248 Chris*DiMarco 1 87,000
30 55 Rickie*Fowler 1 81,167
30 154 Hideki*Matsuyama 1 81,167
30 4 Phil*Mickelson 1 81,167
30 41 Charl*Schwartzel 1 81,167
30 54 Michael*Thompson 1 81,167
30 58 Bo*Van Pelt 1 81,167
 
How about FedEx cup season points:

1 1 Tiger*Woods 11 3,031 5 7
2 2 Matt*Kuchar 18 2,245 2 7 786
3 3 Brandt*Snedeker 17 2,214 2 8 817
4 4 Phil*Mickelson 16 2,165 2 6 866
5 5 Billy*Horschel 21 1,487 1 7 1,544
6 7 Bill*Haas 19 1,412 1 9 1,619
7 6 Justin*Rose 12 1,412 1 5 1,619
 
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