I'm just saying I'm reserving judgement until we play a ranked team. That's all. I don't think we've faced a lot of passing teams. I want the pass defense to be good, but we have seen some major breakdowns. I hope they get them cleaned up before we play a really good QB.
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I'm just saying I'm reserving judgement until we play a ranked team. That's all. I don't think we've faced a lot of passing teams. I want the pass defense to be good, but we have seen some major breakdowns. I hope they get them cleaned up before we play a really good QB.
The biggest difference between the pass D this year and prior seasons, is this year's group has given up some over the top plays and had some blown tackles that have led to big gains/TDs. Iowa fans aren't used to that. Probably a product of the blitz they are employing more of this year.
Iowa's pass defense always has and always will give up yards and completions to opposing QBs. Against good QBs they're in serious trouble unless the DL wrecks the play early.
MSU's QB hasn't done much of anything but I've seen worse QBs complete the 8-12 yard passes on Iowa for years. Give the guy credit he didn't do what Iowa's defense is designed to do, which is bend until the offense makes a drive killing error.
But overall this pass defense does what it always does. Makes the other team put together long drives to score. Just wish the would cut out that big play that has been a big punch in the gut.
Iowa's pass defense always has and always will give up yards and completions to opposing QBs. Against good QBs they're in serious trouble unless the DL wrecks the play early.
MSU's QB hasn't done much of anything but I've seen worse QBs complete the 8-12 yard passes on Iowa for years. Give the guy credit he didn't do what Iowa's defense is designed to do, which is bend until the offense makes a drive killing error.
But overall this pass defense does what it always does. Makes the other team put together long drives to score. Just wish the would cut out that big play that has been a big punch in the gut.
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tubahawk
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On more than one occasion against MSU when our defense blitzed they kept back all but two WR, yet they still got the completions. TWO wide receivers vs. the Iowa secondary and MSU still moved the ball.
And as far as objective data, here's the ranking of offensive juggernauts we've lined up against;
NIU - 17th
Missouri State - Who knows lower tier of FCS
ISU - 108th
Western Mich - 95th
Michigan State - 102nd
So other than NIU every offense we've played has been terrible. But I guess that doesn't confirm your already held beliefs.
hawkfan340
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His point was legitimate. Why are you throwing a hissy instead of engaging in a good debate? Your arguments in this thread were pretty interesting until you went that direction.
blubberhawk
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Real nice stats, but meaningless. Those stats include the games against three teams that really suck. ISU, Minnesota and Missouri State. The (2) real teams that we have played (MSU & Northern Ill.) have fared quite differently against our defense. Those teams put up 412 and 438 yards against our D. Just as a comparison, MSU had 297 yards against Western Michigan and 265 against South Florida. Iowa has a very average defense, despite the gaudy stats you posted.
tubahawk
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Sorry, I forgot Minnesota who is ranked 82nd in total offense.
The average ranking of the FBS offenses we've faced is 80 (out of 123). That doesn't factor in a sub-tier Missouri State. Let's revisit your stats at the end of October before we decide if this defense is good, bad or average.
STILLBUSTER
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Your frustration has you shooting the messenger ...
Every rationale on which to give Iowa the edge was based on objective data; most notably, that MSU had played one of the weakest schedules of any team in the B1G. Most felt Iowa had done enough, against adequate competition, to be considered competitive with MSU on defense, better on offense, and were giving Iowa the overall statistical (objective) advantage, not to mention, the subjective advantage of Homecoming in Kinnick.
As others posted, the offenses Iowa has faced, including MSU, are statistically (objectively) poor compared to those the Hawks are going to face the next 6 games. We're not making this **** up and we're really trying to give the Hawks the benefit of the doubt based on statistical, objective data. When you get such a disconnect between the data and the reality, as was demonstrated on Saturday, the objective response would be to question the validity of the data sample.
Seems to me, you're the only one in this thread who's in full denial of objectivity.
The stats against MSU were more of a function of not having an offense for three quarters then a reflection of bad defense. They only gave up 178 in the first half and Iowas offense put the D in pretty poor field positions few times.
Iowa had 31 yards of offense in the second half before their final possession.
Besides the fake punt their were also some ill timed penalties that killed the hawks, the Donnal clipping call, the unsportsmanlike conduct call on Iowas sideline which was bogus and the Hillyer PI call.
Iowa had 31 yards of offense in the second half before their final possession.
Besides the fake punt their were also some ill timed penalties that killed the hawks, the Donnal clipping call, the unsportsmanlike conduct call on Iowas sideline which was bogus and the Hillyer PI call.
How are the offenses that MSU has faced? Does that mean their defense is really not that good.
I was very dissapointed with our OL. But am willing to wait and see how good MSU Defense really is. They looked pretty darn good to me. The WR seem to be getting better but but losing KMM nullified that. Im not convinced our RB situation is all that great unless Danialls comes on. The DL is playing above my expectations and the LB are fine. Very concerned about our secondary. I dont even know what to say about the punt return thing. Right now Im just hoping we show up at OSU and make it a game.
AZHAWKFAN1
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Weisman is, was, and will be a fullback. He is strong and athletic but isn't going to outrun most defensive players. He is what he is and Kirk likes him at rb so that is that.
tm3308
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Overall, the pass defense is alright. Not great, but alright (early season stats can be very misleading). But they get burned for the big play too often, and it's not always because of a poor pass rush or some kind of pick play. Lowery can make big time plays, but he's also guilty of getting lazy with his technique from time to time, and that's bitten him (and the team) in the *** more than once this season.
tubahawk
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Western Mich - 95th
Notre Dame - 45th
Iowa - 28th
South Florida- 119
Youngstown - FCS No ranking
Average Ranking of FBS opposing offense - 71st.
Again, I think we'll know after October how good, bad or average MSU's defense really is.
SheagleHawk
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Those stats mean exactly nothing given the garbage teams we've played.
