Section136
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Using Oglesby as a freshman and you are right, he would not start on an NCAA tourney team. Give him a couple years and he will be better than quite a few guys that start on teams in the big dance.
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Using Oglesby as a freshman and you are right, he would not start on an NCAA tourney team. Give him a couple years and he will be better than quite a few guys that start on teams in the big dance.
DuffMan
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id take those numbers in a heartbeat.
DuffMan
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He's twice the player Jeff Moe was and he made it all the way into your signature.
Give the kid a break. He is only a freshman. Iowa is not a program that can attract the one and done guys yet. My opinion is that a player will show what he has by his sophomore year. After the second year I don't think players improve all that much with the exception of post players.
eveningnewsteam
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And if he did have anyone around him worth a damn, his minutes would have decreased big time.
eveningnewsteam
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I see Mike Gatens has made it to hawkeyenation
Moe2Lester
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I'm not saying Josh O will not be a good player. I just wonder what makes him so much better than other outstanding shooters this state has produced in the past. I was always told Iowa needs better athletes and that is why those others were not given offers. I have seen Gesell play and it is very clear that he is a BIG10 level player. My question should have been: For those that saw Josh play in high school, was it clear that he was a big10 player?
1hawkeye1
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You should call up FM's show on Monday night and tell him to get better players. I'll bet that would be a revelation to him.
Those were also different coaching staffs and Iowa's basketball program was on a different level then. Also as a previous post stated, it depends on what else is available that season.
RocknRollface
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Its very simple.
Josh was the best available player. Other years the aforementioned players were not the best available.
Obviously Kover was a miss, is that what your getting at? Iowa should have offered Kover? Everyone knows this so what is your point?
Josh was the best available player. Other years the aforementioned players were not the best available.
Obviously Kover was a miss, is that what your getting at? Iowa should have offered Kover? Everyone knows this so what is your point?
ironduke23
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Timing is everything. Fran had just been on the job a few months when he offered. Who else do you think he could have brought in? Has he done better with the class of 2012?
GhostofBTT
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No you won't. Nobody will.
sportstalent
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Yeah, that is why he was a Top 150 recruit.
Nice analysis of a guy not even done with his freshman season.
SOOOOOOOOO, Was Mc C the coach when they didn't get offered? Not exactly comparing apples to apples. Josh O. possibly good shooter, limited athletically, good enough for Fran to offer, What did Korver do as Freshman, Funk etc. At least give him a couple years before we question his scholly.
Johnnyhawkeye
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I believe Josh O. will be much more effective once we establish a true low post presence...he is a sharp shooter and will most likely only get better over time.
Fran has done a great job at putting the pieces together.
1.) Two big's in Woodbury and Meyer to draw down the defense
2.) A couple slashers in Marble, Gessel, and Ingram
3.) A zone busting sharp shooter in Ogelsby, and Gessel possibly?
4.) A couple scrappers and rebounder's in Basabe and McCabe
5.) A true match up nightmare at SF in Aaron White. (love this kid)
I think this team will be great in a few years, if not next year.
Fran has done a great job at putting the pieces together.
1.) Two big's in Woodbury and Meyer to draw down the defense
2.) A couple slashers in Marble, Gessel, and Ingram
3.) A zone busting sharp shooter in Ogelsby, and Gessel possibly?
4.) A couple scrappers and rebounder's in Basabe and McCabe
5.) A true match up nightmare at SF in Aaron White. (love this kid)
I think this team will be great in a few years, if not next year.
He needs to play with a lot more confidence if he is going to be an effective player at this level. He is at Iowa to shoot the ball and in order to do that well he needs to settle down on the court. The only time he really shoots well is when the team is down quite a bit.
Actually my evaluation skills on Josh were about dead on. People were talking about how he was a dominant outside shooter in high school. But his 3 PT shooting percentage was about 40%. The jump from high school to college results in about a 5% drop in 3pt shooting percentage. So his current shooting percentage was about what he could expect.
Fact is truly great shooters have better shooting percentages in HS. Josh has the potential to get a good portion of that 5% back over time at Iowa, but you can't really expect him to be a conference leader in 3 PT shooting percentage.
As far as Fran calling him the best pure shooter, etc., Fran loves to blow smoke up his players' behinds in the press. If you don't believe me ask all the guys who he had convinced that Iowa would be fine with Brommer holding down the middle or the ones he had convinced that Cartwright was one of the best PGs in the conference. Just really have to take those comments with a grain of salt.
Fact is truly great shooters have better shooting percentages in HS. Josh has the potential to get a good portion of that 5% back over time at Iowa, but you can't really expect him to be a conference leader in 3 PT shooting percentage.
As far as Fran calling him the best pure shooter, etc., Fran loves to blow smoke up his players' behinds in the press. If you don't believe me ask all the guys who he had convinced that Iowa would be fine with Brommer holding down the middle or the ones he had convinced that Cartwright was one of the best PGs in the conference. Just really have to take those comments with a grain of salt.
