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Moe2Lester

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Tell me what Josh O did/does to get a full ride to Iowa? I guess what I am asking is, seems like these type of players can be found in Iowa every year. I have always felt like there is an eastern Iowa bias. What makes him better than central and western Iowa shooters of the past. Examples: Korver, Jacobsen, Funk, Cochran, Windhorst, and Scott all shooters that never got a sniff from Iowa. Not saying any of them would have been great at Iowa and that Josh won't be, just want to know what makes a player worthy of a full ride.
 
You're right, I bet Webber and Smith tricked Fran into offering!

J.O. will be fine. I thought his D at times last night was impressive. He didn't leave his feet and staid in good defensive position on many possessions.

His shooting was off but that happens to many Freshman. His pass to White was off the hook. I think by the time he is a Jr/Sr that he could be very good.

I have no regrets that Iowa offered him.
 
I actually was a little surprised when Josh got an Iowa offer. He has actually exceeded my rather low expectations. Last night was not a good showing for him, but I think he will improve.
 
Josh did a very good job of "selling" himself while in HS and thus getting a little more attention from coaches than his skill set would have otherwise gotten him.

He'll never be a starter but a guy that can hopefully hit a couple shots here or there.
 
Tell me what Josh O did/does to get a full ride to Iowa? I guess what I am asking is, seems like these type of players can be found in Iowa every year. I have always felt like there is an eastern Iowa bias. What makes him better than central and western Iowa shooters of the past. Examples: Korver, Jacobsen, Funk, Cochran, Windhorst, and Scott all shooters that never got a sniff from Iowa. Not saying any of them would have been great at Iowa and that Josh won't be, just want to know what makes a player worthy of a full ride.

Trollin pretty hard today.

Oglesby was a top 150 recruit. He is a freshman playing in the best conference in the country. What were your expectations for him going into the year?
 
So offers from that powerhouse Arizona State and two BIG10 coaches about to get fired makes him a program changer? I don't question that he can be a good player, I do question what makes him any better than other guys from the state of Iowa year in and year out. We needed impact players now, the role players could have come later.
 
JO has the potential to be a great Hawk like Gatens. I would prefer to see a team going to the NCAA tourney. His D will not get the job done on a good SG in the Big 10 and he is not a good enough driver to be a starting SG in the Big 10. With that said, I think he can still come off the bench and log 10 min or so a game as a spot up shooter but his D will prevent him from being a starter.
 
So offers from that powerhouse Arizona State and two BIG10 coaches about to get fired makes him a program changer? I don't question that he can be a good player, I do question what makes him any better than other guys from the state of Iowa year in and year out. We needed impact players now, the role players could have come later.

We had zero chance with "program changers" like Barnes and McDermott. Using "program changers" in your definition.
 
JO has the potential to be a great Hawk like Gatens. I would prefer to see a team going to the NCAA tourney. His D will not get the job done on a good SG in the Big 10 and he is not a good enough driver to be a starting SG in the Big 10. With that said, I think he can still come off the bench and log 10 min or so a game as a spot up shooter but his D will prevent him from being a starter.

Slow your roll. JO is no Gatens.
 
He is a freshman that has shown some really good things this year. I am excited to see what the off-season and a little experience can bring him for next season.
 
My point was we need better players than Josh O if we want to go to the next level. If we expect Josh to fill Matt's shoes... we'll be in the same spot, not going to the NCAA.

I see what you are saying.

In my opinion a team can go to the dance with Matt Gatens in there starting lineup. They can't with JO. Gatens is a very good player who never had anyone around him worth a damn
 
Josh will get better. His shots will fall. Maybe not this year, but I'd bank on it next year (pun kind of intended). He can pass. He can ball handle. Needs work on defense, strength. Last night looked exactly like a kid's first start would look like.
 
I see what you are saying.

In my opinion a team can go to the dance with Matt Gatens in there starting lineup. They can't with JO. Gatens is a very good player who never had anyone around him worth a damn

He's a freshman. Did you expect him to average 15 ppg? Josh is an excellent shooter and passer with good enough ball handling skills to play the point if needed. He played pretty well defensively last night, even on Frazier when he would get switched on to him. And he doesn't need to be able to get all the way to the rim to create his own shot. That is the benefit of being 6'5", you can create shots (a la dev marble) with your height/length.
 
He is in a shooting slump his last four games (3 of 19, 1 of 11 from the arc),but Fran says he is the best pure shooter he has ever recruited,so I will give him another year to prove his value. He was the 119th rated player in the country and as it stands right now,the only top 150 player on the roster besides Gatens.

This thread starter seems to operate on the premise that Iowa can pluck higher rated players than Josh....the recruits do have a say in where they attend,ya know?

There were 4 Korvers,and only one of them was Big Ten worthy...we missed on him.
Funk and Jacobsen were the same class as Horner,Haluska and Brunner. We missed on Haluska, who did come to Iowa and become all big ten and lead the league in scoring. But, you wanted Iowa to take Funk and Jacobsen over Horner and Bru? Only have so many schollys,ya know?

Oglesby will be a solid player at Iowa. Fran will try to get the top rated players around the country next time to satisfy you,I am sure.
 
Matt Gatens Freshman Year Stats:

Points: 10.8
FG%: 42.2
3P%: 40.3
Reb: 3.6
Asst: 2.2
Stl: 1.1
Averaged 30+ Minutes Per Game

Josh O
Points: 6.1
FG%: 39.3
3P%: 35.2
Reb: 1.5
Asst: 1.2
Stl: 1.1
Averaged 17 Minutes Per Game

Shooting % is fairly close but Gatens is clearly ahead his Freshman year. The rest of the stats are fairly meaningless since Gatens averaged nearly twice as many minutes per game. You could technically multiply JO's stats by a factor and they would be nearly identical to Gatens as a Freshman.

Point? Oglesby and Gatens are very similar players.

Gatens didn't have a Sr playing in front of him (Gatens, Bawinkel, Davis, Tucker, Lickliter and Kelly were the other guards). It was a 3 guard offense with only Cole & Tate contributing down low.

Those of you that think Oglesby won't be a contributing factor in the future are just flat our wrong. The kid can shoot the 3, has decent athletic ability and plays smart. He may not be a starter but he will see plenty of minutes as a scorer. If he's off he will see the bench, if he's hot he will get more minutes.

Basketball is about having the right pieces that fit a puzzle. We haven't had the pieces for a long time (Horner, Brunner, Thomas, Haluska and Hansen team was the last). That year was also the last time we made an NCAA tournament. Next years squad will be more talented than the 05-06 team before its finished at Iowa. That team had 3 SRs and 2 JRs starting.

The cupboard was bare when Fran got here. He's landed some great players over the past two recruiting classes and the upcoming class is the best we've had since 2003ish (nearly a decade).

The kids on the roster are not the type that Fran needs for his style of play.
 
Shooting % is fairly close but Gatens is clearly ahead his Freshman year. The rest of the stats are fairly meaningless since Gatens averaged nearly twice as many minutes per game. You could technically multiply JO's stats by a factor and they would be nearly identical to Gatens as a Freshman.

Point? Oglesby and Gatens are very similar players.

Gatens didn't have a Sr playing in front of him (Gatens, Bawinkel, Davis, Tucker, Lickliter and Kelly were the other guards). It was a 3 guard offense with only Cole & Tate contributing down low.

Those of you that think Oglesby won't be a contributing factor in the future are just flat our wrong. The kid can shoot the 3, has decent athletic ability and plays smart. He may not be a starter but he will see plenty of minutes as a scorer. If he's off he will see the bench, if he's hot he will get more minutes.

Basketball is about having the right pieces that fit a puzzle. We haven't had the pieces for a long time (Horner, Brunner, Thomas, Haluska and Hansen team was the last). That year was also the last time we made an NCAA tournament. Next years squad will be more talented than the 05-06 team before its finished at Iowa. That team had 3 SRs and 2 JRs starting.

The cupboard was bare when Fran got here. He's landed some great players over the past two recruiting classes and the upcoming class is the best we've had since 2003ish (nearly a decade).

The kids on the roster are not the type that Fran needs for his style of play.

Spot on 12345. Could not agree more. Nice post.
 
I think the problem is that so many people here believe our freshman are going to be dropping 12 a night next year, that they think the freshman this year should do likewise.

It is going to be even uglier next year when Woodbury is averaging 7 and 4...
 

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