This Tells The Story

Just a gut feeling, but I think we are going to see a much improved Stanley this weekend. Will it be enough? I don't know. Purdue can be scary good at times. As a true freshman, an argument could be made that Moore is the best player in the conference, and, Brohm knows how to free him up.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
OK. First Dochterman simply cherry picks games to show the skew in stats or consistency. Anybody can do that with any QB.

Secondly, I get your pizzed and you make valid points and I genuinely enjoy your posts, but I think you should lay off Stanley just a bit. I have a hard time laying into a 20 year old who's working his butt off in practice every day and trying the best he can. He's a decent guy, and seems to represent the team and university well. But, you make valid points that he maybe doesn't do the best under pressure but he still has to continue to learn or manage that. He's not the first college QB that has had difficulty with a pass rush or pressure.

Now if you personally had experience playing QB and leading a Div 1 team, you get my "feel free to criticize pass". You would have that right. But, like me, I suspect you haven't been in Stanley's shoes or played on a Div 1 football team. Most don't. I'm not saying you don't have a right to an opinion, but maybe just tone it down a tad.

I'm with ya. It sucks being so close and not getting the prize.

I can almost guarantee you Nathan Stanley would be the first one to agree with you.
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Why do people act like 20 year olds are sensitive children? He is grown and isn’t going to have a complex when he gets older about aholes like us pointing out how bad he is.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
There's no getting around it when Stanley is good he's really good. When he's bad he's well... Pretty darn bad. It's frustrating to have such a huge gap between his levels of play. Once he missed TJ on that wide open play I just had the most sinking feeling in my gut and he obviously let that affect him the rest of the day. The kid has most of the tangibles you want in a QB. Minus that huge intangible the 'it' factor Stanzi and Tate kinda had. They had a little different 'its' but they had it. Stanley doesn't seem to be able to recover from a rough start to a game. It just snow balls on him. Stanzi could throw 4 picks and still win the damn game some how.
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This is the case for just about every QB in the Big Ten every year. No consistency for these guys. Ohio State seems to be the only school in this league that can recruit consistent QBs, and even they can’t do it all the time.
 
4thngoal said:
So was the Fant at the goal line. So was #30 being to far forward in the end zone and not even able to jump and tip, resulting in a PSU td.
Look closer, there were probably blocks that if held longer or maybe made a little better we convert or score even.
I'm not saying Nate played great. I'm saying, just like the Wisconsin game, we lost as a team.
Last year was no different.
Nate doesn't hit ISM and we probably would have lost to ISU.
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There were a lot of mistakes by a lot of players in that game and a few bad bounces as the two safeties could have stayed in bounds for two TDs.

I am not down on the hawks, I like to dissect the games and the coaching and play calling but that is what I like about football.
 
Northside Hawk said:
I'll boil it down to two words. Short memory. Nate needs to develop it. Next play. If he's putting too much pressure on himself to be too perfect, which BF and possibly Rob have mentioned, it's going to give the entire offense tight collars. Next thing running backs are going to be afraid to fumble. Loosen up and turn it loose. He still has a 2-1 TD to INT ratio and has shown improvement in extending plays. Be consistent Nate, not Good Nate/Bad Nate.
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Aka Stanzi. The guy would have a bad play or series and come right back out and stick the dagger in the opponent. KF used to say he had 'excellent amnesia.'
 
I have only seen Mansell play a few plays this year so far, but God help us if we have to go to him if Nate is injured. While Stanley is inconsistent, it is mainly because of inaccuracy issues.

I said I wasn't going to get too low about the Penn St. game, because we were basically one play away from winning that game. We aren't a junk team since we lost that game, and we wouldn't be some legitimate playoff contender if we win that game. The funny thing is if we win that game, we are all talking about what moxie Stanley has playing a great 4th qtr. to lead the team to victory after a horrible first 3 quarters. It is very reminessenct really of what Stanley did to beat ISU. He played like garbage in the first 3 quarters and then had a good 4th quarter and we win. Unlike the ISU game for some reason the coaches decide to not run the ball on 1st and 3 or 4 from the goalline. Instead we stay in shotgun for some reason?
 
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deanvogs said:
I have only seen Mansell play a few plays this year so far, but God help us if we have to go to him if Nate is injured. While Stanley is inconsistent, it is mainly because of inaccuracy issues.

I said I wasn't going to get too low about the Penn St. game, because we were basically one play away from winning that game. We aren't a junk team since we lost that game, and we wouldn't be some legitimate playoff contender if we win that game. The funny thing is if we win that game, we are all talking about what moxie Stanley has playing a great 4th qtr. to lead the team to victory after a horrible first 3 quarters. It is very reminessenct really of what Stanley did to beat ISU. He played like garbage in the first 3 quarters and then had a good 4th quarter and we win. Unlike the ISU game for some reason the coaches decide to not run the ball on 1st and 3 or 4 from the goalline. Instead we stay in shotgun for some reason?
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Yeah, that shotgun formation had me flummoxed as well. The smart play there is to be under center so the defense has to think about both the run and the pass. That was a head scratcher.
 
Seth53 said:
Aka Stanzi. The guy would have a bad play or series and come right back out and stick the dagger in the opponent. KF used to say he had 'excellent amnesia.'
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Beathard and Tate were the same way. I think a lot of it comes down to being able to handle a lot of stress. Those three guys were ice cold even when the shit hit the fan, and Nate looks like a deer in the headlights a lot of times and is never totally comfortable. Even when he's playing well. That's one of the more frustrating parts about the kid because I think he has more physical talent overall than they did.

Defenses smell blood in the water when a guy gets in over his head and that causes them to make him make mistakes. The opposite is true as well and I hope Nate turns the tables. I hate the Packers, but when they're down by a score with 1:30 left you know damn well Rodgers is going to walk down the field on you and you're going to lose the game. He never gets rattled and you can see it on his face that he knows he has you beat before the drive starts. That gets in defenders' minds and they screw up.

I've never tried weed, but for those of you who have, would a gigantic bong rip right before each drive hurt or help?
 
vork22 said:
Why do people act like 20 year olds are sensitive children? He is grown and isn’t going to have a complex when he gets older about aholes like us pointing out how bad he is.
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That is actually one of my worst pet peeves is when they call college aged young men and women kids. They are not.

I'm all for letting people have their criticisms, but there comes a point where their's enough "He sucks! He's not mentally tough!. He doesn't have it!". That crap is just not going to help. Is it going to help him hearing all that. No.

But, yes, people have a right to an opinion and state what is deficiencies are. But to go into every thread and just spew "Stanley sucks!" doesn't do a damn thing.
 
Rick Stanzi. As a fan when it got down to the 4th quarter I always felt we had a chance when Rick was in there. Not so with Stanley.
 
The longer Iowa QBs start under the KF coaching staff, the more they become like Stanley.

Anxious, inconsistent, afraid in the pocket, afraid of mistakes, and big game floppers.

The apple doesn't fall far from the coaching tree at Iowa.
 
Fryowa said:
I've never tried weed, but for those of you who have, would a gigantic bong rip right before each drive hurt or help?
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Nah weed can mess with your vision/scanning ability when turning side to side (for me at least). A Xanax should do the trick though
 
revkev73 said:
The longer Iowa QBs start under the KF coaching staff, the more they become like Stanley.

Anxious, inconsistent, afraid in the pocket, afraid of mistakes, and big game floppers.

The apple doesn't fall far from the coaching tree at Iowa.
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Wow, this is really dumb. The fact is if Nate was more cautious, he calls Time out there. Instead the coaching staff gives Nate the freedom to audible plays and that is what he did. Unfortunately he just did it too late and ultimatey didn’t have enough time to get the audible called.

Any intelligent person learns from their mistakes and they don’t continue to make them. The myth that Stanzi wasn’t as good his Sr year is just that, a myth. He stopped making the stupid throws that ended up as pick 6’s his Sr year and started making better plays. Only an idiot would argue 17 TD’s to 15 INT’s and 56% comp. is somehow better than 25 TD’s to 6 INT’s and 64% comp.
 
deanvogs said:
Wow, this is really dumb. The fact is if Nate was more cautious, he calls Time out there. Instead the coaching staff gives Nate the freedom to audible plays and that is what he did. Unfortunately he just did it too late and ultimatey didn’t have enough time to get the audible called.

Any intelligent person learns from their mistakes and they don’t continue to make them. The myth that Stanzi wasn’t as good his Sr year is just that, a myth. He stopped making the stupid throws that ended up as pick 6’s his Sr year and started making better plays. Only an idiot would argue 17 TD’s to 15 INT’s and 56% comp. is somehow better than 25 TD’s to 6 INT’s and 64% comp.
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Stanzi's the only QB (at Iowa 4 years or more) you can use for that argument. All the others regressed.
 
Can't argue the OP's points, but I am glad I ran into this.

Games 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (bold/italic are wins if you are following along)

The next logical order would be 9 10 11 12 13 14

That's if we do not change our trajectory. Keeping current pattern could quite easily get us into the Big10 championship game and lose it and our bowl game (I've seen this picture before).

Hopefully the pattern begins to change before we get to game 13 against Michigan, because Stanley has now been to the right sports psychiatrist and is feeling mighty fine and truly playing to his capability, the O-line and it's coach has learned to really battle when the going gets tough.

I really think what Stanley needs is for Dan Gable to be there every single game standing on the sidelines, and when it's time for the first series he slaps the shit out of him, to jump start him and get his head straight! Then, we got something....................
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I've never understood why Iowa and their coaches aren't getting high 4* and some 5* at the line positions, with their history of getting these guys to the NFL and playing in the NFL right away. That is one position we should be able to recruit highly rated players at.

"If you want to learn how to play on the line and get to the NFL, go to Iowa."
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Ferentz doesn’t want anyone with an ego which frequently comes with highly rated recruits.
 
BrianFerentzForPresident said:
This is the case for just about every QB in the Big Ten every year. No consistency for these guys. Ohio State seems to be the only school in this league that can recruit consistent QBs, and even they can’t do it all the time.
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Yeah that's kinda what differenciates between the kids that go on to be pros too. It's not even about having a consistent high level of play all the time just don't have your bad games be that cotton picking bad. You want your floor to still be good enough to win
 
deanvogs said:
Who regressed? Tate was hurt. CJ was a 3rd round draft pick.
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I don't disagree with you for the record I'll preface what I'm about to say with that. But CJ wasn't all that great his SR year. Banged up or not he just wasn't as good and being drafted that high had nothing to do with his play his senior year and everything to do with how he did his JR yr and the potential they saw with how he could run a pro style O
 
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