This is what Kirk Ferentz does not understand about college football

Bigtenchamp said:
and costs them so many wins.

From USA Today Last November 2012:

"Major college football is about to make scoring history.

Through Tuesday, the 124 teams in the Bowl Subdivision have scored 36,130 points over 1,232 games, an average of 29.3 points per team per game. If that average holds, it would break the record of 28.4 points a game set in 2007."

We just don't know as a staff how to produce enough points... and it's not about talent (see Indiana scoring avg)
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I agree with you. We need to find some way of opening our offense up a little more. I'm very happy with the win today but we left a lot of points on the field today. I thought the gm was a little bit closer than it should have been. But I'm proud of our guys for fighting back in a tight gm to win. GO HAWKS!
 
HawkAttack said:
No, they built a tradition that allowed them to recruit nationally into the 80s and 90s which gave them the tools necessary to win some of those NCs.
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If you are trying to say the only reason that Nebraska ever became good was because they played in a poor conference... than well to start with that's pretty suspect of an argument.

Also - got news for you - the big ten is pretty horrible these days.

But none of that was the point anyway - my point 5 pages ago was that it doesn't take awesome talent to score points - intelligence and scheme/strategy can work also.

This is was the whole reason why the option could work - it allowed inferior, smaller teams to run the ball since they had to block less people.
 
hwks1 said:
Take out the Western Michigan game - where the defense special teams scored 28... and the average is 21.85 BAD BAD BAD
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No.

You'll have to take out every special teams/defensive touchdown in every game to make the comparison.




Ready?



Go!
 
mmills88 said:
The reason Indiana scores 30 points a game is because they give up 35. I don't expect them to sit on the ball much.
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I don't get this at all. How is it easier for an offense to score points if the defense is giving up points? Wouldn't the offense have a better chance to score if their defense was getting 3 and outs? They would get the ball back quicker and in better field position.

It seems like allot of people on here think that the only way to have a better offense is to have a worse defense.
 
PCHawk said:
I don't get this at all. How is it easier for an offense to score points if the defense is giving up points? Wouldn't the offense have a better chance to score if their defense was getting 3 and outs? They would get the ball back quicker and in better field position.

It seems like allot of people on here think that the only way to have a better offense is to have a worse defense.
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Yeah Never got that -- Baylor ranks top 10 in both offense and defense.. I think OSU does also.

Now talent will help you get rankings like that - but we have the defense (historically) but we don't know how to manufacture points on offense enough and less talented teams do all the time.
 
Last year we lost 3 games by a combined 5 points I believe....I truly don't care if we win the next four games by a combined 4 points. There is never going to be anything sexy about KF's teams. Ball control, field position and execution. He is a Belicheck student of the game. Nothing is going to be flashy. I wonder if we would have this conversation if we were winning all of our games by 1? Was it 2011 that we won several games by last second field goals and overtime? What see is what you get. The game has changed and many teams have adapted to the high octane offenses. Interesting we have played a couple of those type of teams. And how did KF counter that? Time of possession and sustained long drives. I would say he does ok in my book. Winning however he does it is ok with me.
 
Everyone understands we don't have the talent to score like Oregon or Baylor no matter what the coaches do. We do however have the talent to score more than we do. And we don't need our defense to get worse to do it.
 
And if KF really doesn't understand college football, just who would you have as our head coach?
 
I enjoyed winning that game yesterday, too. Punking Pat Fitzgerald has become as satisfying as beating down ISU. But our offense continues to be anywhere from mediocre to downright bad on an annual basis - that is a problem that is going to keep haunting us if it doesn't change. Gonna have to score more than 10 points in regulation to beat Wisconsin, I think. I'm not talking about 60-70 points per game like Oregon & Baylor do.. I'd settle for a team that could break 30 in a conference game.
 
IronHawk said:
Last year we lost 3 games by a combined 5 points I believe....I truly don't care if we win the next four games by a combined 4 points. There is never going to be anything sexy about KF's teams. Ball control, field position and execution. He is a Belicheck student of the game. Nothing is going to be flashy. I wonder if we would have this conversation if we were winning all of our games by 1? Was it 2011 that we won several games by last second field goals and overtime? What see is what you get. The game has changed and many teams have adapted to the high octane offenses. Interesting we have played a couple of those type of teams. And how did KF counter that? Time of possession and sustained long drives. I would say he does ok in my book. Winning however he does it is ok with me.
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Yeah, and Hayden never ran Rob Houghtlin on the field with less than 30 seconds to win a game either, did he? I completely agree with what you are saying here.

Everyone talks about offense, because it's flashy and fans love it - and every fan is an "expert" at offense. And, of course, all these armchair quarterbacks understand how to break down the offensive schemes into microsessions of coachable techniques that are parts of the whole, right?

Defense is a MUCH harder thing to do, especially with the rule changes in the last year or two. And again, all the second-guessers know how to teach techniques for each position, right?
 
Bigtenchamp said:
Yeah Never got that -- Baylor ranks top 10 in both offense and defense.. I think OSU does also.

Now talent will help you get rankings like that - but we have the defense (historically) but we don't know how to manufacture points on offense enough and less talented teams do all the time.
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Baylor? Playing Popcorn A&M, East Cupcake State and Vinton School for the Blind?

Let's check the current stats.... Baylor has yet to play a winning team. The closest so far is a 3-4 Kansas State team (or maybe a 3-5 West Virginia team?). Wofford? Buffalo? Louisiana-Monroe? (All three patsies at home, BTW) Their final five games, beginning Dec. 7 will definitely show how good they really are. They play, in succession: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian and Texas. All 5 have winning records in the conference and overall. Their ranking will go away and their offense will drop to a much lower level.
 
Knight78 said:
Yeah, and Hayden never ran Rob Houghtlin on the field with less than 30 seconds to win a game either, did he? I completely agree with what you are saying here.

Everyone talks about offense, because it's flashy and fans love it - and every fan is an "expert" at offense. And, of course, all these armchair quarterbacks understand how to break down the offensive schemes into microsessions of coachable techniques that are parts of the whole, right?

Defense is a MUCH harder thing to do, especially with the rule changes in the last year or two. And again, all the second-guessers know how to teach techniques for each position, right?
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Nevertheless, the offense needs to improve. It doesn't take a football genius to understand that a good defense AND a good offense is better than having a good defense and a bad offense.

It was actually 2009 where Iowa won a lot of close games. If you are relying on "getting the breaks", you are going to win some, and lose some. Iowa had an inordinate amount of good breaks in 2009.. Maybe you could say the reverse about 2010. But I would rather see some emphasis put on improving the offense so that we don't have to rely on getting a lucky bounce in a close game quite as often as we do.

I value good defense as much as anyone, but I just don't understand the mindset that the offense should just stay out of the way, and let the defense win the game for you. Both units are equally important IMO (good special teams, too).
 
I don't agree with original premise but if you think it is due to coaching you might want to consider "talent" as a consideration. Recap of Greg Davis time at Texas ..............

Under his guidance, the Texas offense produced 10 of the top 11 passing seasons, 11 of the top 13 total offense campaigns and the top nine scoring years in school history. Texas averaged 39.0 points per game from 2000-09, which ranked second nationally and first among BCS conference schools. In 2005, Texas set a then-NCAA record with 652 total points and a school record by averaging 50.2 ppg.

Now, if you want to talk about our staff's ability to attract ample talent to make the Davis offense work that is an entirely different subject. Maybe Ferentz is learning now after the fact you've got to have the right players to best utilize the Davis system. Davis is now forced to try to manage a Ferentz power run oriented offense (due to personnel) which makes the end product look a bit befuddling at times. We may never get to the point where Davis can fully utilize his expertise and experience at Iowa.
 
I'm fine with the power running game, using our TE as they are the strength. But we have to show a little more variety in what we do.

As it's been noted, we have struggled in the 2nd half of games this year. Could be adjustments to what we're doing, going conservative to eat up the clock or both.

This is the second straight week we just imposed our will on a defense and then poof, we disappear. This time the defense gave us some stops but we couldn't capitalize.

I just want to see some competency out of this team. I want Iowa to compete for Legends division titles. That should be the goal of this team. We go to big10 championship game and it's more exposure, more chances at bcs games...and even if we lose we know we'll get picked for a good bowl game.

Instead it seems like every game is a struggle. I know people are tired of the negative slants...but is anyone having fun with the actual football games? Forget about what's being said here, are the games fun? To me, they are a challenge to watch and that tends to come out on message boards or whenever talking about hawkeye football
 
as per usual people twisting words and not saying anything in my original point.

I don't really care what the system is but whatever system it is - it needs to produce more points.

Seriously people have you not watched the last 6 years? when we fail to put bad teams away.. usually from not scoring enough to end it.

Have you watched the games this year ... oh like the last one where we scored ZERO points in the 2nd half.

Wow is all I can say.
 
Knight78 said:
Baylor? Playing Popcorn A&M, East Cupcake State and Vinton School for the Blind?

Let's check the current stats.... Baylor has yet to play a winning team. The closest so far is a 3-4 Kansas State team (or maybe a 3-5 West Virginia team?). Wofford? Buffalo? Louisiana-Monroe? (All three patsies at home, BTW) Their final five games, beginning Dec. 7 will definitely show how good they really are. They play, in succession: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian and Texas. All 5 have winning records in the conference and overall. Their ranking will go away and their offense will drop to a much lower level.
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Lol you are trying to say Baylor is bad and plays bad schools?

Evidently you haven't been paying attention to the big ten the last few years.

Pretty much everyone thinks we are the weakest "big" conference.
 
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