hawkdrummer1
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That's because it was more the defender reading and jumping the play (as he said in the post game interview). It wasn't a horrible pass.
The play call, on the other hand, was awful.
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That's because it was more the defender reading and jumping the play (as he said in the post game interview). It wasn't a horrible pass.
The play call, on the other hand, was awful.
CPHAWK82
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Butler said the scout team did the exact same passing play at the goal line in practice and he gave up the TD. Belichick got into him and said he needs to be ready for that play at the goal line...and he was.
mopkins
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See this line of thinking isn't exactly accurate because the Seahawks were letting tons of time drain off the clock after the 1st down play. They wanted to leave very little time for the Pats to score after them. They could easily have snapped it with ~30 seconds on the clock, lined up and ran another running play, and then called a timeout for a 4th and 1. Again thats assuming they couldnt get 1 yard in 2 plays which they were easily doing all night...Lynch averaged 4.3 yards a carry.
On top of that the Pats still had timeouts, so even if the Seahawks ran it on 2nd down there's a VERY good chance the Patriots would have called a timeout to preserve what little time was left. In other words, I think the Seakhawks could have easily ran the ball every single time and had plenty of clock to do so
BILLBUCKNER
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Interesting thread,but no one brings up the miraculous WTF is that catch that set up the dramatics at the end. The kind of catch that has haunted the Patriots in past SBs. Karma caught up wth Seatle at the end and they did outsmart themselves.
It was a very entertaining SB, if that had been my Bears that pulled what Seatle did, I would be bummed too.
It was a very entertaining SB, if that had been my Bears that pulled what Seatle did, I would be bummed too.
Interesting stat today from Espn and others that Lynch was 1 for 5 this year scoring a TD on a run from the 1 yard line. Seattle was probably the only ones who knew their own stat and with the Pats bringing in a goal line defense maybe why Carroll decided to try one throw.
My problem is the actual pass in that congested area. Throw a fade or a low out pattern a couple yards in the endzone where only your guy can catch it.
Seattle doesnt use the TE much and that is a place for one like Moeacki.
My problem is the actual pass in that congested area. Throw a fade or a low out pattern a couple yards in the endzone where only your guy can catch it.
Seattle doesnt use the TE much and that is a place for one like Moeacki.
mopkins
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They ran their 1st down play with 1:06 left on the clock. Then they let it run down to 26 seconds before running the second play. I think the Seahawks were as confused as everyone else that the Patriots weren't using their timeouts to preserve time. What's funny is had the Pats called a timeout immediately after the 1st down play there would still be a minute on the clock and Seattle almost for sure would have run the ball again.
Still though, they had plenty of time to run the ball on all 4 downs if they wanted to.
blubberhawk
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Pete Carroll is a **** head. Just ask USC fans.
That is an interesting stat for sure. But if you were to lose that game would you rather lose the way it was lost or by having Lynch get stuffed once or twice or even fumbling at the goal line? I'd still rather go down swinging with your best player in that situation. How many of those 4 times he was stuffed this year were late in the 4th quarter when the D is worn down? I really have a hard time believing that with 2 maybe 3 cracks at running it in from there he doesn't get in....
Oh I agree with you. I would have let a little time go off the clock and ran Lynch on 2nd down with about 35 seconds left. If I wasnt in for a TD I would have ran the read option on 3rd down.
If I still wasnt in I would have ran my best run/pass option play with wilson.
guffus
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Its not exactly the same, but it kinda reminded me of the 7 got 6 play, when Marvin McNutt caught a game winning TD pass in 2009 against MSU in the last seconds. The big difference being that McNutt caught the ball instead of the defense intercepting. But the play call was similar.
thejumper5
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The play call wasn't the problem. The pass was imperfect and the DB made a great play. If Wilson makes a basic pass to a wide open WR, Seattle wins.
McNutt was split out farther and it was a real iso one on one. Seattle's play yesterday was in a crowded window.
hawkfan340
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The play call wasn't the problem. The pass was imperfect and the DB made a great play. If Wilson makes a basic pass to a wide open WR, Seattle wins.
Wide open?
The key breakdown (non-playcalling variety) was Kearse getting jammed like a jar of strawberries at the LOS. If he gets more than one yard up field, Butler wouldn't have been able to take a straight b-line to the spot the ball was thrown. That fraction of a second difference would have changed the outcome imo.
STILLBUSTER
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The play call wasn't the problem. The pass was imperfect and the DB made a great play. If Wilson makes a basic pass to a wide open WR, Seattle wins.
Agreed. Someone brought it up earlier but, honestly, in addition to being a dumb call, it was a terrible pass by Wilson. It's a frickin' slant. The whole strategy behind a slant is to screen the DB with your body as you collect the ball and basically have to fall across the goal line with the ball in your bread basket. Wilson threw the into the WR's extension, which, in congestion, is always gonna get broken up or, worse, Butlered.
Risky but also poorly executed. Hawks got what they deserved.
Knight78
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It was his cheating that brought down NCAA sanctions on USC.
99topdawg
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Yes. If the pass had been on the mark, it would have been a touchdown or PI.
HomerChampless
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Seattle's secondary was pretty banged up.
HomerChampless
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Or Wilson could have tucked the ball and run. Did the staff give him that option with 25+ seconds left and one time out?
hawkeyebob62
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I think, if you polled every person on the planet that watched the game, "Wilson rolling out" would have been a 100% on the agreement scale given a "must-pass" call. Still, how did they ignore Chris Matthews at that point? Height, game-history and running him wide/fade would have been almost a shoo-in for nthing "ba" to happen, aside from any "good" that could have happened.
As mentioned elsewher, the best thing about the play call is that nobody is mentioning Iowa right now!
