The Mighty Big 12

Good to know a random throwaway post got somebody to do some research. I am not talking about historical numbers or anything like that. I don't even care what the numbers say.

My point was the iowa fans rightfully made fun of Iowa State fans in blistering fashion for making the claim regarding the schedules. Iowa fans turn around 3 months later and trumpet the same bs from the mountaintop. That's what is funny to me.
 
haha what?

the big XII is having a down year in basketball. it's out of the ordinary.

the big ten has had a down DECADE in football.

And ISU has had a down "115 years" in football.
ISU has sucked, sucks now, and will always suck in football. ISU will not achieve any conference titles, BCS bowl wins or even any major bowl wins in my lifetime, my kids lifetime or my grand kids lifetimes.

As far as BB is concerned, the Big 12 has been Kansas and the peons forever. No way in hell does Kansas even sniff 9 championships in a row in the BIG.

ISU BB is slightly ahead of Iowa's at this time. That is not saying a whole helluva lot. Better enjoy it now.
 
And ISU has had a down "115 years" in football.
ISU has sucked, sucks now, and will always suck in football. ISU will not achieve any conference titles, BCS bowl wins or even any major bowl wins in my lifetime, my kids lifetime or my grand kids lifetimes.

As far as BB is concerned, the Big 12 has been Kansas and the peons forever. No way in hell does Kansas even sniff 9 championships in a row in the BIG.

ISU BB is slightly ahead of Iowa's at this time. That is not saying a whole helluva lot. Better enjoy it now.

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Iowa State football fan: man it would be great to play in the big 10, the record would be so much better could you imagine the bowl we could get to?

Iowa football fan response: you are what your record says you are and you guys suck.

Iowa Basketball fan: man it would be great to play in the big 12, the record would be so much better could you imagine how easy it would be to make the tourney?

Iowa State basketball fan: ...

Someone is sorta catching on....
 
From 2008-2012 the big 12 had the best winning % of any conf in the country in the tourney. No doubt this is a down year but there have been a lot of successful teams in march recently.
 
Iowa State football fan: man it would be great to play in the big 10, the record would be so much better could you imagine the bowl we could get to?

Iowa football fan response: you are what your record says you are and you guys suck.

Iowa Basketball fan: man it would be great to play in the big 12, the record would be so much better could you imagine how easy it would be to make the tourney?

Iowa State basketball fan: ...

This is so spot on. Of course the but but but... crowd will still try to twist it. Also because big ten cannot play a round robin hard to say you played a schedule within the conference equivalent to the actual strength of the conference. That said its too bad Iowa did not get a shot Michigan or OSU at home. I think they would have won and been in the big dance as a result
 
From 2008-2012 the big 12 had the best winning % of any conf in the country in the tourney. No doubt this is a down year but there have been a lot of successful teams in march recently.

Kansas had 17 of those wins during that time period with 1 NC and 1 runner up.
 
If anyone doubts the power of the B1G

in basketball all they have to do is look at the many championships we have had in the past 25 years.
 
Take away any conf best performing teams and it looks a lot different. However osu in the big 10 has had some recent success. Baylor has been in the elite 2 of the last 3 years. Other teams are stepping up in both cases.
 
Or what the B1G record would be without Izzo.

Ohio State is 15-6 under Matta.
Wisconsin is 16-12 under Ryan.
Indiana is 3-1 under Crean.
Purdue is 8-6 under Painter.
Illinois is 1-0 under Grocery, and were 9-6 under Weber.
Tubby is 1-2.
Beilein is 4-4.

So, current Big Ten coaches are a combined 44-27 if you exclude MSU. Izzo is 35-13, but he's also been there for nearly two decades.
 
This is so spot on. Of course the but but but... crowd will still try to twist it. Also because big ten cannot play a round robin hard to say you played a schedule within the conference equivalent to the actual strength of the conference. That said its too bad Iowa did not get a shot Michigan or OSU at home. I think they would have won and been in the big dance as a result

So, when the Big 12 actually had 12 teams you have the same argument.

When you look at round robin play, Iowa had the 8th ranked Big Ten schedule, 8th!

It still consisted of playing a 1, 2, 3, two 4's, 7 and 11 seeeds, again that is the 8th "easiest" schedule playing round robin.

When has another conference 8th "easiest" schedule have that, outside of the 42 team Big East?

This just happens to be one of those years that Iowa did not benefit by winning 9 games in a difficult conference. Other years the Big 12 has been better and some ISU fans were probably thinking it would be nice to play in another conference.

My issue with the Big 12 is that there are 4 teams only that deserved to get in and OSU was not really a good team and benefited from the bottom teams being awful. K-State just played terrible and Oklahoma should never have been in the tournament, they did nothing to validate being there.

I had four teams that I thought did nothing to deserve being there:
1. Oklahoma - lost
2. Villanova - lost
3. Colorado - lost
4. California - Drew one of those RPI No. 1 conference teams, so it was a crap shoot going in on who was going to win.

Teams I thought were overseeded:
1. UCLA - done
2. Oklahoma State - done

The NCAA tournament selection committee agenda is revealed each year and this one went with RPI and road wins...not sure that is the greatest measuring stick of how good teams are, but that was their thought process.

We can argue about what league deserves what, but it comes down to what the guys in the room have predetermined their criteria and that is the problem. It isn't and Iowa/ISU problem, it is a college basketball problem.

Iowa had their chances to prove to the committee and their criteria they could play in the tournament, but the losses at Purdue, Nebraska and Wisconsin sealed their fate. ISU capitalized and they are in the tournament. Iowa is in the NIT, no shame it that, but not where the fans feel they should be. I will say this and get mad all you want, but you can't lose to Nebraska, home or away, and make the NCAA tournament, it was such a horrible loss at the wrong time of the year and the committee say "hey they can't win at Nebraska, Nebraska really?"
 
The Big XII could be out of the Tournament if KU loses to UNC. And look who is refereeing this game B1G officials.
 

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