Thank You Miller & Deace

bhawk326

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I would like to formally thank Miller & Deace for being nearly the only intelligent thinking sport's media on the topic of Big Ten expansion. After reading Pat Forde's article (Big Ten expansion decisions fraught with peril - ESPN), some of the more recent posts on ESPN's Big Ten blog (I normally like Adam Rittenberg) and listening to Matt & Miller and Marty & McDermott last week (I ran out of Miller & Deace and B.S. Report podcasts to listen to) I feel that Miller & Deace haven't gotten enough credit for their analysis on the topic.

From introducing topics such as Big Ten cable contract dollars, local avails (no one but them are talking about this) and research dollars into their discussion they are taking a look at the big picture more than any other sport's media member or outlet. Especially in the national media, there appears to be no one considering Nebraska v. OSU won't fundamentally change your ESPN contract, but getting Missouri causes cable providers to switch the Big Ten Network to basic cable adding 20 million dollars in additional yearly revenue, not including advertising money. It doesn't even matter if nationally twice as many people will watch the Nebraska v. OSU game over the Missouri v. OSU game. The example I like best is that even if you never watch Lifetime Network personally, you still are paying to have the channel if you like it or not.

Local avails are also huge. My dad (who lives in Illinois) was watching the NW v. Iowa game last year and got different commercials than I did in Iowa. Advertisers (now more than just Rotel) want to put their products where local consumers can purchase them. Companies like Ameren, CoxHealth & World Wide Technologies (Missouri) and Foster Wheeler, Honeywell & Pathmark Stores (Tri-State) would be chomping at the bit to get advertising space on the Big Ten Network if the channel is on basic cable in their operation areas.

Research funding is huge to the Big Ten. The Committee on Institutional Cooperation (Big Ten + University of Chicago) released that the consortia discharged 6 billion in research dollars last year. That dwarfs the television contracts and advertising dollars football brings in. If anyone questions why the University of Texas faculty would jump foot first into joining the Big Ten, you can now see the reason. One clarifying point I would like to make to Miller & Deace's analysis is that getting research funding is extremely difficult in today's academic climate. Sometimes I feel Steve & Jon let their right-of-center beliefs get the best of themselves on the issue (Steve more than Jon), but they do still get the majority of the topic correctly. It isn't simply that having Maryland close to D.C. gets you the grant dollars, it is what a collaboration between universities gets you. Senators and Representatives don't typically get you research dollars (sometimes line-items in big spending bills can go towards research), but an overwhelming majority of dollars come from grant applications. Having the CIC allows for pooled resources and equipment sharing that allows for better grant applications and a better chance for funding. An example is that the University of Iowa does not have a multi-photon confocal microscope (at least it didn't when I was there), but other universities like Minnesota and Wisconsin do. The CIC can be instrumental in helping to foster the contacts that would allow researchers from Iowa to work with Minnesota and Wisconsin to get approval to use their equipment, bettering the grant applications leading to funding and better research.

Regardless of this correction, Miller & Deace are doing a fantastic job and I hope they continue to do the astute analysis on the Big Ten Expansion topic as well as other topics that makes them a worthwhile listen.
 
I've been listening to them the last 4 weeks because of the LOST recap. I like there show because there very sincere in stating there opinions. Unlike others out there who just say things for ratings and to stir up fan bases.
 
Appreciate the kind words. We have probably looked at this thing most ways possible, and I don't even read the talking head articles on it any more because all they talk about is the football angle. that's the angle I care most about, but Forde's piece on this Friday was almost laugh out loud naive.

I was invited to speak at a Waukee High School marketing class on Friday, on this subject...the teacher has assigned students a prospective University outside the Big Ten and is having them make a pitch as to why they should be in the Big Ten, plus a contingency plan if they are not allowed in...it was a lot of fun. I guess that makes me an expert ;)
 
IMHO, the real genius here is Big Ten Comiss Delany

I personally think expansion is quite a ways out, but Delany still has every TV station and network, newspaper, mag's., and especially radio talk shows following the piper and almost talking and mostly exclusively about his conference. I also believe Delany specifically picked this time of year to begin the talk, as there is no competition topic for air time....not even baseball or the NBA or NHL.

And for what reason; his primary focus now and first is just SELLING ADVERTISING, after all everyone is talking about the BTN. The BTN just keeps printing cash for its members and he's saying thanks to the willing accomplices promoting his network/conference, the media. The same ones that were saying the BTN was a terrible idea and bashed them from the get-go.

The radio talking heads and bloggers are even naming their conference divisions after commercial interests, aka naming rights! Delany says thank you again, now when he calls on those corporate sponsors, its not even a "cold-call" now, again thanks to the media says the BTN.

People have been bashing the Big Ten for their on-field failures, football and basketball, but now Delany has people believing the Big Ten is the center of the college athletic world is the Big Ten and the Big Ten now dictates what the "others" (SEC, Pac10, ACC, etc) will do. Can you say, "from last (in perception) to first".

Just my humble opinion. No need to start a thread to thank any media members, Jim Delany names them all in his prayers every night before bed.
 
Anytime Jon. You guys really do a great job and not just on the Big Ten expansion topic. I think your analysis on Tiger Woods has been spot on. That's pretty cool about being invited to the marketing class as an expert. Did the kids sell you on the University they were given? How did it feel to be Commissioner Miller for the afternoon?

Nilkin, you are spot on giving credit where it is due with Jim Delany. I just think that with how poor the national sportwriter's analysis has been up to this point, that it is worth noting how good we have it with Miller & Deace. While I religiously listen to Miller & Deace podcasts, I don't normally listen to very much other sports talk radio (B.S. Report podcasts and occasionally Dan Patrick and Pardon the Interruption) and after listening to Matt & Miller and Marty & McDermott last week I have a renewed appreciation to the thought and effort Miller & Deace put into their show.
 
I like the kxno podcasts -- both miller/deace and matt/miller. The expansion talk has been interesting, but some of deace's speculations are insane.
 
YES I think they have really been good to listen to and have done a lot of research on the subject to their credit
 
I like the kxno podcasts -- both miller/deace and matt/miller. The expansion talk has been interesting, but some of deace's speculations are insane.

Matt/Miller? Did you hear Perrault say he thought the 09 IA football team was "a bad team that got lucky"? I have listened to about 45 seconds of the M&M show in the last 3 weeks and comments like that are why. There is plenty of foolishness in this world without dialing it up on the radio.
 
Matt/Miller? Did you hear Perrault say he thought the 09 IA football team was "a bad team that got lucky"? I have listened to about 45 seconds of the M&M show in the last 3 weeks and comments like that are why. There is plenty of foolishness in this world without dialing it up on the radio.

I'm not as easily offended as you, apparently.
 
Matt/Miller? Did you hear Perrault say he thought the 09 IA football team was "a bad team that got lucky"? I have listened to about 45 seconds of the M&M show in the last 3 weeks and comments like that are why. There is plenty of foolishness in this world without dialing it up on the radio.

I sit 2 feet from him and I don't remember him saying that, not saying he didn't but don't recall.
Since you're clear that you listened 45 seconds during the last 3 weeks it should be easy for me do find, would you mind letting me know when as I missed it.
 
I sit 2 feet from him and I don't remember him saying that, not saying he didn't but don't recall.
Since you're clear that you listened 45 seconds during the last 3 weeks it should be easy for me do find, would you mind letting me know when as I missed it.

He said that the Monday after Iowa beat they daylights out of Iowa State. Said Iowa "was a better kind of bad." Surely you remember that.
 
IMHO, the real genius here is Big Ten Comiss Delany

I personally think expansion is quite a ways out, but Delany still has every TV station and network, newspaper, mag's., and especially radio talk shows following the piper and almost talking and mostly exclusively about his conference. I also believe Delany specifically picked this time of year to begin the talk, as there is no competition topic for air time....not even baseball or the NBA or NHL.

And for what reason; his primary focus now and first is just SELLING ADVERTISING, after all everyone is talking about the BTN. The BTN just keeps printing cash for its members and he's saying thanks to the willing accomplices promoting his network/conference, the media. The same ones that were saying the BTN was a terrible idea and bashed them from the get-go.

The radio talking heads and bloggers are even naming their conference divisions after commercial interests, aka naming rights! Delany says thank you again, now when he calls on those corporate sponsors, its not even a "cold-call" now, again thanks to the media says the BTN.

People have been bashing the Big Ten for their on-field failures, football and basketball, but now Delany has people believing the Big Ten is the center of the college athletic world is the Big Ten and the Big Ten now dictates what the "others" (SEC, Pac10, ACC, etc) will do. Can you say, "from last (in perception) to first".

Just my humble opinion. No need to start a thread to thank any media members, Jim Delany names them all in his prayers every night before bed.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this. He knows we arent there yet, but is planting the seeds for the next couple of years before the **** hits the fan.

Good move on his part to get out in front of this and be the trend setter instead of the follower.
 
I agree that M&D are way ahead of the curve on this. I've been telling my friends that everytime they shoot me a link to B10 expansion on ESPN, CBSSportsline, etc that the perspective presented seems almost silly. M&D are about 4 weeks ahead of all the talking heads.
 
Anytime Jon. You guys really do a great job and not just on the Big Ten expansion topic. I think your analysis on Tiger Woods has been spot on. That's pretty cool about being invited to the marketing class as an expert. Did the kids sell you on the University they were given? How did it feel to be Commissioner Miller for the afternoon?

Nilkin, you are spot on giving credit where it is due with Jim Delany. I just think that with how poor the national sportwriter's analysis has been up to this point, that it is worth noting how good we have it with Miller & Deace. While I religiously listen to Miller & Deace podcasts, I don't normally listen to very much other sports talk radio (B.S. Report podcasts and occasionally Dan Patrick and Pardon the Interruption) and after listening to Matt & Miller and Marty & McDermott last week I have a renewed appreciation to the thought and effort Miller & Deace put into their show.

bhawk -

I agree. It absolutely astounds me how off some of these media folks are about some of the many motives behind a proposed expansion. The core driving force is obviously money, however, few folks out there seem to realize that many universities are fiscally reaching "survival" mode. Before too long, public research universities won't be able to continue the trend of increasing tuition. The huge need to procure big-time research dollars is increasingly making public research universities public in name only. Pretty much every knowledgeable administrator I've spoken to seems to anticipate a "seismic shift" in American (public) higher education. It might just be that I'm seeing things through polarized glasses ... but the Big 10 expansion is likely also strongly influenced by the aforementioned economic forces ... and not just due to the economic forces felt by athletic departments.
 
I sit 2 feet from him and I don't remember him saying that, not saying he didn't but don't recall.
Since you're clear that you listened 45 seconds during the last 3 weeks it should be easy for me do find, would you mind letting me know when as I missed it.

I am sure sitting 2 feet from MP has honed your selective hearing. Good job outa you!

I wish I had time to sift through the last 2 weeks but just don't. He was talking about jumping on the band wagon this year because last year he thought Iowa was a bad team that got lucky. Does that ring a bell?
 
Matt/Miller? Did you hear Perrault say he thought the 09 IA football team was "a bad team that got lucky"? I have listened to about 45 seconds of the M&M show in the last 3 weeks and comments like that are why. There is plenty of foolishness in this world without dialing it up on the radio.

I was quoting MYSELF from last year.

What I said was - remember when I said "Iowa was a better kind of bad" after the Iowa State game - It was in reference to what happened last year - It was a big deal a year ago - can't we just let it go? I'm picking you to go 11-1 this year....I think you need to listen more than 45 seconds if you are going to quote me - Deal?
 
I was quoting MYSELF from last year.

What I said was - remember when I said "Iowa was a better kind of bad" after the Iowa State game - It was in reference to what happened last year - It was a big deal a year ago - can't we just let it go? I'm picking you to go 11-1 this year....I think you need to listen more than 45 seconds if you are going to quote me - Deal?

We don't need, or want you on the bandwagon. Personally, I would rather you stay off the bandwagon since most of the time when you predict something, the opposite happens...

You trashed Iowa all last year even when we were 9-0 and talking possible NC chances. Now you are "on the bandwagon?" Keep telling us how bad our team is, and we will keep making you look uneducated on the topic.
 
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