Texas just schooled everybody

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They got rid of Nebraska, the one team willing to stand up to them. They get to keep the conference together, will end up getting the biggest share with everybody else happy to be lap dogs, and outside of Oklahoma, has a clear shot to the NC game on a regular basis.

Meanwhile, the Big Ten has another team who is good enough to beat everybody, making it more difficult for any team in that conference to make a run for the NC game.

Well played, Longhorns. Talk about your power moves.
 
Cyclone fans will beg to differ. They are delusional and believe the conference is better now than it was two weeks ago. Even some seem to believe they have a clear shot at a Big 12-Lite title in football. They haven't been this delusional since Fred "God" Hoiberg was hired.
 
The rich definitely got richer in the Big 12. It will be interesting to see if this holds or if this just bought the conference a few years til TX demands a bigger slice of the pie.
 
I think the key will be how fast UT can get their own network up, running and profitable. After that all bets are off for the underlings. My advise to the underlings is to stockpile the new money while you can.
 
Nebraska won. They got to tell Texass to rot, and they got to join the most prestigious conference. Texass smells like a turd, and they remain in an inherently unstable conference.
 
SDHAWKFAN said:
texas pretty much controls college football right now
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I agree, they made a smart move by "listening" to all these expansion talks and getting the rest of the conference to bow down to them to get them to stay. Now Texas has exactly what they want with more power than they had before just because the B10 announced they were going to look at expansion.
 
The question now:

Does an undefeated Big XII (Lite) team after the new 10-team league goes into affect have the same draw as an SEC team or Big Ten team? I think this is the situation where the Big XII team is the one getting skipped over.. one of the few drawbacks for Texas.
 
Yes it looks god in the short run -- but how it plays out later still is to be determined. These types of decisions have unintended consequences and I am sure we have not seen the last act yet.
 
Texas was in a win-win-win situation. I doubt that the eventual outcome was planned. Rather I think Texas went in with an intention to listen to all parties and accept the offer that was most beneficial. They really couldn't lose. The last minute move by the Pac-10 just added another bidder to the auction.

The Big Ten wasn't willing to sacrafice academic standards as the Pac 10 was nor would they cede the balance of power as the Big 12 has done. We offered money.

In theory, Texas can approach the level of Big Ten athletic payouts (we'll see). But most schools would be more inticed by the potential hundereds of millions from the CIC. BUT because of a huge state subsidy, Texas is one (maybe the only) school that already receives funds at or near that level. As such Texas was apparently willing to over look a few million in favor of (essentially) control of their conference.

Very shrewd, no doubt.
 
SDHAWKFAN said:
texas pretty much controls college football right now
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Picking up on Jon's theme on La Cosa Nostra. Texas is like Michael Corleone in the restaurant taking out Sollozzo, the threat, (Nebraska) and Captain McCuskey, the dirty cop (Jim Delaney). Soon the rest of the other families will be wiped out and the Corleones will control everything. It may not last forever, but it's good to be the king, even for awhile.
 
I dont understand where some of you are coming from.
I'll address some of these one at a time.
#1. "Texas schooled everybody." Not even close. They just took the a bad situation and made it worse for themselves. No major conference will allow Texas to join with its own network and demands of more money. So they will forge ahead with the status quo and start their own network. A network that holds zero appeal to anyone outside of Texas, so how is that going to be profitable for them? They are going to charge Texas fans to watch something that have always watched for free?
#2. "Texas controls college football" See the above point. Not even close. They had been in negotiations for months with the PAC 10 and the whole deal fell apart because Texas wanted more revenue than the other programs and they wanted their own network. No major conference would agree to these terms. So what are Texas's options?
Then there are the Have-nots in the remaining B12. Texas will make more and more while they make less and less. Sooner or later they will bail like Nebraska and Colorado.
Then we are back to the previous situation. Texas with demands that noone will accept and whats worse is, they will have their network up and running by that point and they wont have a clue what to do with it.
Texas screwed themselves. Plain and simple.
 
lightning1 said:
I dont understand where some of you are coming from.
I'll address some of these one at a time.
#1. "Texas schooled everybody." Not even close. They just took the a bad situation and made it worse for themselves. No major conference will allow Texas to join with its own network and demands of more money. So they will forge ahead with the status quo and start their own network. A network that holds zero appeal to anyone outside of Texas, so how is that going to be profitable for them? They are going to charge Texas fans to watch something that have always watched for free?
#2. "Texas controls college football" See the above point. Not even close. They had been in negotiations for months with the PAC 10 and the whole deal fell apart because Texas wanted more revenue than the other programs and they wanted their own network. No major conference would agree to these terms. So what are Texas's options?
Then there are the Have-nots in the remaining B12. Texas will make more and more while they make less and less. Sooner or later they will bail like Nebraska and Colorado.
Then we are back to the previous situation. Texas with demands that noone will accept and whats worse is, they will have their network up and running by that point and they wont have a clue what to do with it.
Texas screwed themselves. Plain and simple.
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We'll see, but as I see it, as Texas plays for more NCs, they'll look pretty good to anybody and everybody. Then they'll have real leverage.
 
lightning1 said:
I dont understand where some of you are coming from.
I'll address some of these one at a time.
#1. "Texas schooled everybody." Not even close. They just took the a bad situation and made it worse for themselves. No major conference will allow Texas to join with its own network and demands of more money. So they will forge ahead with the status quo and start their own network. A network that holds zero appeal to anyone outside of Texas, so how is that going to be profitable for them? They are going to charge Texas fans to watch something that have always watched for free?
#2. "Texas controls college football" See the above point. Not even close. They had been in negotiations for months with the PAC 10 and the whole deal fell apart because Texas wanted more revenue than the other programs and they wanted their own network. No major conference would agree to these terms. So what are Texas's options?
Then there are the Have-nots in the remaining B12. Texas will make more and more while they make less and less. Sooner or later they will bail like Nebraska and Colorado.
Then we are back to the previous situation. Texas with demands that noone will accept and whats worse is, they will have their network up and running by that point and they wont have a clue what to do with it.
Texas screwed themselves. Plain and simple.
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Good post, good thoughts. Interesting. We'll have to wait to see.
 
lightning1 said:
I dont understand where some of you are coming from.
I'll address some of these one at a time.
#1. "Texas schooled everybody." Not even close. They just took the a bad situation and made it worse for themselves. No major conference will allow Texas to join with its own network and demands of more money. So they will forge ahead with the status quo and start their own network. A network that holds zero appeal to anyone outside of Texas, so how is that going to be profitable for them? They are going to charge Texas fans to watch something that have always watched for free?
#2. "Texas controls college football" See the above point. Not even close. They had been in negotiations for months with the PAC 10 and the whole deal fell apart because Texas wanted more revenue than the other programs and they wanted their own network. No major conference would agree to these terms. So what are Texas's options?
Then there are the Have-nots in the remaining B12. Texas will make more and more while they make less and less. Sooner or later they will bail like Nebraska and Colorado.
Then we are back to the previous situation. Texas with demands that noone will accept and whats worse is, they will have their network up and running by that point and they wont have a clue what to do with it.
Texas screwed themselves. Plain and simple.
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Texas won't have to charge anyone anything for their cable network. They only have to get Texas cable companies to pick up the network. Cable companies will charge Texas residents $1 more per month and pay UT a portion of that. Even if it's never picked up anywhere but in Texas, Texas still has a population of more than 24,000,000. And they get to keep 100% of the advertising revenue even if it consisted only of in-state companies.

You think UT fans won't be interested in watching UT baseball, softball, volleyball and some of the other smaller sporting events that normally go unbroadcast?

And should the day come when the Big 12 eventually does end, Texas will always find a conference home. No, most conferences won't roll over for them the way the remaining Big 12 schools did, but they'll never be left out in the cold...and they will always have more than one option.
 
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On face value Texas looks like they schooled everyone and no doubt they controlled most of what took place but when you dig deeper into the details I'm convinced they ultimately were punked by little brother Texas A&M.

Other than pure total earnings power did they come out better from this last minute deal?

In the process....

# 1 They found out no other conference would give into their demands for total control/power

# 2 Weakened their own conference with the loss of Nebraska & Colorado
- They lost Tier 1 institutions in Nebraska and Colorado
- No title game
- For expansion they absolutely do not want to add another team from the State of Texas but may have to or be forced to by the Texas Regents
- The remaining suitors outside of Texas to add are not that great with the exception of Notre Dame; Cinncinnatti, Louisville, etc. are not exactly awe inspiring

# 3 Gave the underlings much more revenue than they needed to in order to hold the league together

# 4 Will build a personal network valued at an additional $3-5 million? Wow.... considering what they conceeded I do not see this as a win unless they can make it the league wide future network that they control.

# 5 Despite future steep penalty language for league exit the possibility still exists of losing one or more North teams in the future

# 6 The SEC will be in a position in time to renegotiate and/or start their own network which will widen the gap again between the SEC & Big 12. The Big Ten will carefully look for and add a major market or two to further revenue if need be or sell additional advertising for icing on the cake. This widens the gap over time. How much more can be squeezed from ESPN or Fox just on the basis of having UT ???

I don't know all.... I'm not seeing below the surface how Texas made out so great in this deal.

I truly think they were blindsided by A&M and the fear of opening up the Texas recruiting hotbed to A&M in the SEC.
 
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Well if nothing else, Notre Dame fans should have learned that they really are slipping into irrelevancy. Texas held all the cards on this one almost the entire time.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
On face value Texas looks like they schooled everyone and no doubt they controlled most of what took place but when you dig deeper into the details I'm convinced they ultimately were punked by little brother Texas A&M.

Other than pure total earnings power did they come out better from this last minute deal?

In the process....

# 1 They found out no other conference would give into their demands for total control/power

# 2 Weakened their own conference with the loss of Nebraska & Colorado
- They lost Tier 1 institutions in Nebraska and Colorado
- No title game
- For expansion they absolutely do not want to add another team from the State of Texas but may have to or be forced to by the Texas Regents
- The remaining suitors outside of Texas to add are not that great with the exception of Notre Dame; Cinncinnatti, Louisville, etc. are not exactly awe inspiring

# 3 Gave the underlings much more revenue than they needed to in order to hold the league together

# 4 Will build a personal network valued at an additional $3-5 million? Wow.... considering what they conceeded I do not see this as a win unless they can make it the league wide future network that they control.

# 5 Despite future steep penalty language for league exit the possibility still exists of losing one or more North teams in the future

# 6 The SEC will be in a position in time to renegotiate and/or start their own network which will widen the gap again between the SEC & Big 12. The Big Ten will carefully look for and add a major market or two to further revenue if need be or sell additional advertising for icing on the cake. This widens the gap over time. How much more can be squeezed from ESPN or Fox just on the basis of having UT ???

I don't know all.... I'm not seeing below the surface how Texas made out so great in this deal.

I truly think they were blindsided by A&M and the fear of opening up the Texas recruiting hotbed to A&M in the SEC.
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The BTN doesn't pay out a whole lot more than the Longhorns Network will, will it? The BTN is only like $6-$7 million, right? The rest is made up from other TV contracts with ESPN/ABC and such. Maybe I'm wrong on the amount, but the BTN alone doesn't pay out $22 million per school.
 
tm3308 said:
The BTN doesn't pay out a whole lot more than the Longhorns Network will, will it? The BTN is only like $6-$7 million, right? The rest is made up from other TV contracts with ESPN/ABC and such. Maybe I'm wrong on the amount, but the BTN alone doesn't pay out $22 million per school.
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Not exactly sure but the question is valid....

I found this on-line....
First, it is important to start with the Big Ten Network. The television station has exceeded all expectations, doubling its initial profit and generating $204 million in revenue in 2009, according to industry analyst Derek Baine of SNL Kagan.

So it must be about 11.3 mil per school just from the network. The additional 11 is from ABC/ESPN, etc.
 
Maybe Texas and ND can form a league together.....just the two of them...they seem to belong to one another.
 
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