Tebow wonderlick prayer

Here is the actual scripture passage:

John 15:18

"If the world hates you, know it has hated Me before it hated you."

My goodness people, Tebow probably meant well! He may be over-exuberant with his religion but he meant well! He was trying to lead a prayer for players to do well in the Wonderlick which might improve their draft status which might lead to them being selected higher and being more prosperous and happy. Get over yourselves.

And let me fill you in on prayer, SirEd. When many Christian athletes pray before sporting events they don't pray to win but to do their best, not get hurt and accept victory over defeat graciously. Most Christians understand that the answering or not answering of their prayers is God's will and not theirs.
 
Steve I know what you are alluding to but not all are how you see it.

How many times have you heard players thank God in an interview after a victory?

How many times have you heard players thank God in an interview after a defeat?

How many times do athletes point at the sky when they score a touchdown or hit a home run?

How many times do athletes point to the sky when they break their leg or give up a deep ball?


Column: And I'd like to thank God Almighty - Opinion - USATODAY.com
 
SteveGarvey said:
How do you know he didn't pray to do the best he could and that was a 22? How do you know he would have gotten a 21 but his prayers helped him do better? That's right, you don't know.

Christ told his disciples that they would be hated because they hated Him (paraphrasing).

'Nuff said.
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So you're telling me that divine intervention is only worth one point?
 
WhitUp said:
I'm thinking we aren't the only ones who got sick of seeing all the press that tebow got in college, some players I think did too. After he askes everyone to bow there heads to pray at the wonderlick test, they told him to shut the f up. hiliriaous

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if you want to do that by yourself, fine. If you make a request like "Anybody who wants to join me in a brief prayer feel free to do so, if not that is ok too" is fine with me. However, "let us bow our heads and pray" should be reserved for church. do NOT force your religious beliefs on others though. Regardless, the "stfu" comment was uncalled for.
 
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Again, if all your god has to do is watch a bunch of football players taking a test, then your god doesn't have a lot to do or should be doing a lot more with it's spare time.

To even suggest that Tebow's test score of 22 was the result of praying and that your god might have raised the score from 21 to 21 for him, especially considering the type of guy that Tebow is, well...that is totally ludicrous. And no, no one truly knows whether or not your god stepped in and helped raise Tebow's score 1 point.

Was he trying to be helpful, yes. Is he overexuberant with his religion...oh yeah. Kind of like my mother at 83, a devout Catholic, who thinks that I'm lost and have no chance of ever reaching heaven because I denounced the Catholic Church, chrisitianity, and Christ some 45 years ago. I don't argue with her because what good would it do. Tebow would be saddened to think that someone feels that Christ was a good man...but just a man. But those are my beliefs. The same with most posters on this board, religious beliefs are just that...beliefs. One can cite the Bible all they want but if you lay out the gospels side by side and read each, one after the other, you will discrepanices among the gospels, some that don't mean much and many that just can't be answered regardless how hard people and scholars have tried. That goes for the New and Old Testament, especially the Old Testament. The birth of Christ and the crucifixion and rising of Christ (Easter story) are two very good examples.

What does that mean? It can mean that there are many authors to the Bible, that the Bible has been written and rewritten over the span of hundreds of years, that it was written according to one's interpretation at the time, and so on. The original Bible has never even been found. Yet to say that the Bible is the "word of God" is pushing credulity just because of all the previous factors. The Bible is a good book for teaching and learning...but hardly "the word of God." Did your god, the jewish god, or whatever god tell one person about its life story, then tell someone else another story, then someone else another story, or did authors just write what they felt and how they saw or wanted people to see events, true or not? And if the Bible IS your god's word, why throw in all the discrepancies, and the history of 1st century?

Could it be that christ just came about because at that time in history, life was in such dark ages, and christ just wanted to bring people out of the dark ages. It had nothing to do with him dying to save our sins or any such foolishness. That is all manmade attachments to christ. He just wanted to teach. Also, remember there were many Christian religions at that time an in the centuries after...they were just wiped out by the present Christian religion because it was stronger.
 
Hmmm, NewMex, where to begin....

I guess that's why they call it faith-it's not something you can explain scientifically or "prove"

I do know there are documented miracles all the time that aren't explainable by science. These include miraculous healings that even atheistic doctors admit can't be explained. There are people who have been declared dead and then somehow revived who have been shown heaven, seeing dead loved ones, seeing the Lord, seeing other figures. All of these stories have a striking similarity to that. But then you'd have to be open to believing them and it doesn't sound like you are frankly.

Yeah, there are minor discrepancies between the Gospels but the central msg is the same-that Christ died and rose for us. And, you think that whoever put the bible together didn't know that the discrepancies existed and that people on the face of it might question it? Yet, because these minor discrepancies are there doesn't diminish the central message.

To have faith, you have to be humble and be open to it. No offense but it doesn't sound like you're there right now.

As for football players who point to the sky after scoring a TD, that doesn't mean they prayed for a touchdown. Maybe they just prayed to do the best they could and were blessed by God. Maybe they just thanked him for that blessing.

All I know is that God is good....
 
SteveGarvey said:
Hmmm, NewMex, where to begin....

I guess that's why they call it faith-it's not something you can explain scientifically or "prove"

I do know there are documented miracles all the time that aren't explainable by science. These include miraculous healings that even atheistic doctors admit can't be explained. There are people who have been declared dead and then somehow revived who have been shown heaven, seeing dead loved ones, seeing the Lord, seeing other figures. All of these stories have a striking similarity to that. But then you'd have to be open to believing them and it doesn't sound like you are frankly.

Yeah, there are minor discrepancies between the Gospels but the central msg is the same-that Christ died and rose for us. And, you think that whoever put the bible together didn't know that the discrepancies existed and that people on the face of it might question it? Yet, because these minor discrepancies are there doesn't diminish the central message.

To have faith, you have to be humble and be open to it. No offense but it doesn't sound like you're there right now.

As for football players who point to the sky after scoring a TD, that doesn't mean they prayed for a touchdown. Maybe they just prayed to do the best they could and were blessed by God. Maybe they just thanked him for that blessing.

All I know is that God is good....
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Pointing to the sky is also a way of praising God through your actions. They aren't necessarily thanking God for helping them score. They scored to praise Him. You don't have to get on your knees and tell God how great He is, He already knows that. You praise him by using the talents and gifts that He has given you to the best of your ability. So it's more like a "I did that for YOU" kind of thing. Sometimes anyway.

Other times players have loved ones who have died, and honor them. I think it was Maurice Jones-Drew who did that quite a bit, after his grandfather (I believe it was his grandfather) passed away. That was also when J-D changed his name from Maurice Drew to Maurice Jones-Drew.
 
What's the point of asking to say a prayer before taking a test? Tebow should just keep that stuff to himself, he's wrong. Plain and simple
 
He is religious...I personally am ******ANYTHING****** but religious. If I were a player and he asked me to do it...I wouldn't. I wouldn't care if anybody else did though. No biggie. Let him and others on the team have thier god as long as they aren't FORCING it on others that choose not to believe in it.
 
so... you are religious about not being religious then.. yes? ;)

It seems lots of people (Christians included) get confused about religion.

God didn't give us religion... man created religion... God gave us Jesus Christ. If folks (Christians included) would focus on what Jesus is trying to teach us and those lessons He wants us to learn I think there would be less confusion.

Jesus didn't force His teachings on people, He taught with truth and conviction.... people DO force His teachings on folks from time to time. But, I also think people over react when someone brings up faith... it's really not as bad as some folks make it out to be. :)

peace...

AEGHawkeye said:
He is religious...I personally am ******ANYTHING****** but religious. If I were a player and he asked me to do it...I wouldn't. I wouldn't care if anybody else did though. No biggie. Let him and others on the team have thier god as long as they aren't FORCING it on others that choose not to believe in it.
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phays01 said:
I'll try to keep that in mind when I'm out eating with the family...that I shouldn't pray because I'm not in church.
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Check the context in which this was posted. Would you expect other patrons of the restaurant to leave if you and your family wanted to pray? If so, maybe you should only do it in church.
 
The nice part about our country still is true. Tebow can ask if players would like to bow their heads and join in prayer. People can still reject his offer and he shouldn't take too much offense because that is freedom of speech. The way in which it was rejected was quite disrespectful, but that may depend on the individual who it rubbed the wrong way.

Now if Tim was more about the prayer than the attention or spotlight, after the rejection he probably would have responded, "Well, for those of you who'd like to do so silently, now would probably be a good time, that's all." That seems a very appropriate and WWJD type of response.
 
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