Tmoney12
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Count me in with Bus as I can't believe I agree with you. Anyone who wants to hate on Fran right now is an idiot. Cole needs to fly back from Iceland and sneak into GO's jersey. I am sure no one would notice.
Team still has a "losers mentality"
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Count me in with Bus as I can't believe I agree with you. Anyone who wants to hate on Fran right now is an idiot. Cole needs to fly back from Iceland and sneak into GO's jersey. I am sure no one would notice.
tm3308
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It's hard to believe just how undervalued he was by Hawkeye fans. Even by me, and I gave him tons of credit for his leadership. It's becoming clear that it was nearly impossible to pay Cole his due last year. Still one of my favorite Hawks of all-time.
Tmoney12
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Good Lord we are gonna sound like butt buddies if we keep agreeing like this. Gatens is a take over the game kind of leader which apperently no one responds to.
Cole was a box some one out and follow my hard work leader. I am so upset, embarassed and ashamed at this team but that also applies to JC who is one of my favorite Hawks of all time. It just proves he was the glue.
Many of us told you this was coming. But people were saying that players who hadn't contributed for three years were all of a sudden going to turn into players.
Seriously, this team needs almost a complete turnover. And no, Basabe is an not all-conference type player.
People thought that after Gatens and May made the all-Frosh team as well.
Seriously, this team needs almost a complete turnover. And no, Basabe is an not all-conference type player.
People thought that after Gatens and May made the all-Frosh team as well.
ibahawkeye
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Sounds to me like you think we are missing Cole's leadership. How could he have a winners mentality?? Did he even play for the hawks when they had a winning record?
busabus114
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Obviously there are going to be some exceptions....Cole was a great leader in spite of playing for nothing but crappy teams. This year's team needs someone to step up in a similar way and at this point I dont see anyone who will/can fill that role
tm3308
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Gatens has the right mentality, but for whatever reason he just doesn't seem to have the same kind of connection with the other players that Cole had.
Matt is the more intense competitor (not to say Cole wasn't intense), and Cole seemed maybe a little more emotional/energetic. Both certainly have a lot of positive benefits, but this team definitely appears to need more of that energy, which Cole delivered night in, night out last year.
ibahawkeye
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Great post... I'm not sure any of us know the entire scenario without being in the locker room or at practice or with the players day in and day out but I agree the players seemed to respond better to Cole.
I think Gatens knows he should be the leader and almost forces himself into this role. I'm not sure why it doesn't work, but it doesn't. I would use the example tonight after Gatens hit a couple of free throws and were starting to put together a little run and he was trying to get the team fired up and extended a hand to Basabe for a high five and Basabe didn't even acknowledge him. Gatens had to go up to him a 2nd time and say something.
EddyP
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How is that not being a leader? To me that is being a leader. He called him out and said get back here and slap my f*cking hand. He could have just let it go. I've noticed Basabe isn't slapping anyone's hand on free throws either.
ibahawkeye
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I think Gatens is trying his hardest to be a leader, but my question is are the other players responding to his leadership?
EddyP
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I agree with you I'm just saying in that specific situation. He tries to be. He and Cartwright both need to be.
tm3308
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He definitely does all the right things, just like in the situation with Basabe tonight. You don't just let that kind of thing slide, you get in their face and tell them to pick it up. From the outside looking in, Gatens is a pretty prototypical leader.
But for whatever reason, guys (or at least Basabe) don't seem to be responding to him. It's a real head-scratcher.
hawkIhoops
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Agree with others that until McCaffrey flushes guys he was stuck with out, expectations can't be too high. Gatens, May, McCabe, Ogelsby and Archie do not scream big ten talent or fit into his style of play. 1-2 of these guys ok, but 5, no way. Have to suck it up this season and take more lumps. We aren't 1-2 players away, we are 1-2 recruiting classes away.
I did pay attention to Basabe at the line and per jba's post, he does not slap hands with teammates. Gatens extended his and Basabe ignored him until Gatens stuck it in his face basically. Basabe appears to be sulking.
I did pay attention to Basabe at the line and per jba's post, he does not slap hands with teammates. Gatens extended his and Basabe ignored him until Gatens stuck it in his face basically. Basabe appears to be sulking.
HawkForce
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I'll give you Olsen comparison but Football and basketball=Pineapples and oranges...it takes one or two bball players to make a program.
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SirJamaLot
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really hard for me to admit this but Fran does not have a lot of talent to work with, I drank the Kool-aid and thought we could go 16-14 and maybe 6-10 in the big ten, doesn't look good without a center, and Cartwright and Baasbe struggling, I just thought we would be more improved than last yr
I still think Fran is the right coach and I love his honesty I just wish his team played better defense and rebounded better.
