Tanner Miller to the Packers

Xerxes said:
Miller couldn't have picked a better team to sign with. GB has 1 NFL level safety on their roster, Morgan Burnett and they drafted Ha Ha so those 2 guys are locks for roster spots and likely starters. Hyde could be switched over to safety because GB is fairly solid at CB.

GB's defensive backs often looked like the Walking Dead out there. Wandering around aimlessly, reaching and grabbing while WRs ran by them. They could use a smart player who can get guys organized and in the right spots.
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Great point. Tanner isn't the fastest guy out there, but one asset that he has that will help him rolling into Green Bay is that he isn't afraid of the cold. That Michigan game this past November was tropical compared to what guys will face at Lambeau in December and January and a guy who isn't afraid to stick someone in the bitter cold is a great asset for a team like Green Bay. Of course, Green Bay is always drafting soft guys like Clay Matthews who are more worried about their hair in January than they are about winning games, so maybe this is a change of plans.
 
He may never play for the Packers because they may have only signed him as trade bait to get Peyton Manning from the Broncos.
 
trj said:
That is not my point, homie. Considine played for NFL 9 teams and had a 11 year career basically doing special teams, nickel packages, mixed in with the occasional start. Is it possible that Miller has a similar career? Doubtful, but it could happen. Considine is/was a better player, but the gap isn't that huge.
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Depends on your definition of huge. Considine was really good in college, IMO the second best safety to play for the hawks under KF.

But I get what your saying now.
 
He's not listed on the Packers website as one of their signees, either. But the Milwaukee SJ did report that he'd be signed.
 
I guess I get confused with what people “see” and how limited their scope is...The likely hood of Tanner making a roster isn’t all that good but several Iowa players have had NFL stints as a result of free agency. More importantly there have been a ton of terrific UDFAs go on to stellar careers..

This is just the last 2 years....and these are by no means a full comprehensive list, just those I knew or who had notable games or seasons or started a lot of games...

2012...Bobby Rainey, Vontaze Burfict, Desman Moses, Case Keenum, Mike Brewster, Brandon Bolden, Jermaine Kearse, Leonard Johnson who ran a 4.71 as a corner back.

2013..Marlon Brown, Melvin White, Joseph Fauria, Kenbrell Thompkins, Khriry Robinson, Matt McGloin

There are a lot of assumptions about the NFL, forty times, play calling, etc, that really aren't true. Case in point, while Miller may not be "blazing fast" his 4.54 forty would place him in the top half and maybe the top 25% of safteys in the NFL. Our fans often lampooned him as being slow but he's anything but. As far as that goes its not the first time they've said that about one of our own..The "speed" thing though isn't what makes a great football player or keeps them from making mistakes or puts them in the NFL...they have to actually know what they are doing.

Here is another example of fan"stuff"....last year the twittersphere and blogosphere and radio shows and "Interwebs" was all abuzz about those dumb coaches running Mark W outside on the zone stretch....In fact Eddie and Dolph were chief among them and some other famous Iowa Hawkeye types......here is why that doesn't make much sense to me...

First and foremost from a "pure" scheme or game planning stand point, you cant put in Back A and always run him inside or Back B and always run him outside...Now I know there are a lot on fellas on here that feel like they have great football minds so I'd think they'd get this..I'm not a great football mind and I do. Now from an "actuality" standpoint, as in here is what really happened...I have multiple games DVR'd and Weismann made lots of "Hay" on the outside stretch over and over...The Nebbie game, including the run to the goal line and the run out racing the D to the edge for a TD after than Canzeri run were both outside runs. Id be glad to send you copies if you don't have them...Also Marc Morehouse did a nice break down on the gazette after the season and his finding showed a lot of success for MW outside to the left...In fact if memory serves that was were "most" of his success came...


I don't have a link but if you search his blog a few months back you'll find them. Double check me because I don't want to mislead you but MW will, can, did and will again run lots of zone stretch with huge success despite what our fans think.


The point being we get frustrated and make snap judgments that seem true or may even have some true elements but they aren't accurate when you cross examine them. That's why I related the MW story and the NFL thoughts....


C
 
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cmhawks99 said:
Here I another example of fan"stuff"....last year the twittersphere and blogosphere and radio shows and "Interwebs" was all abuzz about those dumb coaches running Mark W outside on the zone stretch....In fact Eddie and Dolph were chief among them and some other famous Iowa Hawkeye types...Here is how ridiculous that was.
First and foremost from a "pure" scheme or game planning stand point, you cant put in Back A and always run him inside or Back B and always run him outside...Now I know there are a lot on fellas on here that feel like they have great football minds so I'd think they get this..I'm not a great football mind and I do. Now from an "actuality" standpoint, as in here is what really happened...I have multiple games DVR'd and Weismann made lots of "Hay" on the outside stretch over and over...The Nebbie game, including the run to the goal line and the run out racing the D to the edge for a TD after than Canzeri run were both outside runs. Id be glad to send you copies if you don't have them...Also Marc Morehouse did a nice break down on the gazette after the season and his finding showed a lot of success for MW outside to the left...In fact if memory serves that was were "most" of his success came...
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Chad, I dont think the site Owner/Publisher/Founder is going to appreciate you calling him out like this. He has been chief among the folks calling for no more outside zone runs for Weisman.
 
cmhawks99 said:
I guess I get confused with what people “see” and how limited their scope is...The likely hood of Tanner making a roster isn’t all that good but several Iowa players have had NFL stints as a result of free agency. More importantly there have been a ton of terrific UDFAs go on to stellar careers..

This is just the last 2 years....and these are by no means a full comprehensive list, just those I knew or who had notable games or seasons or started a lot of games...

2012...Bobby Rainey, Vontaze Burfict, Desman Moses, Case Keenum, Mike Brewster, Brandon Bolden, Jermaine Kearse, Leonard Johnson who ran a 4.71 as a corner back.

2013..Marlon Brown, Melvin White, Joseph Fauria, Kenbrell Thompkins, Khriry Robinson, Matt McGloin

There are a lot of assumptions about the NFL, forty times, play calling, etc, that really aren't true. Case in point, while Miller may not be "blazing fast" his 4.54 forty would place him in the top half and maybe the top 25% of safteys in the NFL. Or fans often lampooned him as being slow but he's anything but. A far as that goes its not the first time they've said that about one of our own..The "speed" thing though isn't what makes a great football player or keeps them from making mistakes or puts them in the NFL...they have to actual know what they are doing.

Here I another example of fan"stuff"....last year the twittersphere and blogosphere and radio shows and "Interwebs" was all abuzz about those dumb coaches running Mark W outside on the zone stretch....In fact Eddie and Dolph were chief among them and some other famous Iowa Hawkeye types......here is why that doesn't make much sense to me...

First and foremost from a "pure" scheme or game planning stand point, you cant put in Back A and always run him inside or Back B and always run him outside...Now I know there are a lot on fellas on here that feel like they have great football minds so I'd think they get this..I'm not a great football mind and I do. Now from an "actuality" standpoint, as in here is what really happened...I have multiple games DVR'd and Weismann made lots of "Hay" on the outside stretch over and over...The Nebbie game, including the run to the goal line and the run out racing the D to the edge for a TD after than Canzeri run were both outside runs. Id be glad to send you copies if you don't have them...Also Marc Morehouse did a nice break down on the gazette after the season and his finding showed a lot of success for MW outside to the left...In fact if memory serves that was were "most" of his success came...


I don't have a link but if you search his blog a few months back you'll find them. Double check me because I don't want to mislead you but MW will, can, did and will again run lots of zone stretch with huge success despite what our fans think.


The point being we get frustrated and make snap judgments that seem true or may even have some true elements but they aren't accurate when you cross examine them. That's why I related the MW story and the NFL thoughts....


C
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Maybe what Dolph, Eddie and the fans remember is that in our 4 losses to BCS teams, Weisman did the following:

MSU- 9 yds on 7 carries.
Wis- 15 yds on 9 carries
LSU- 37 yds on 18 carries
OSu- 52 yds on 10 carries.

So, when we ran into tough rush defenses, Weisman averaged less than 2 yds/carry on 3 of them and had one decent game vs OSU, a weaker defense.

Sorry, but in the Iowa offense, which absolutely counts on staying ahead of the sticks...2 yds per carry get them beat, and it did.,

I know that against the lil sisters of the poor, Weisman can pile up some yards, but even in those games, the games are close, because we cannot score tds grinding out 14 play drives at 3-4 yds a pop, but no big running plays....leaves Iowa vulnerable to lesser teams who might throw a bomb late for a td, after Iowa has drives die due to a 3rd and short passing breakdown....we need big plays that result in TDs, not fgs after 15 play drives fall short.
 
JHHawk said:
Maybe what Dolph, Eddie and the fans remember is that in our 4 losses to BCS teams, Weisman did the following:

MSU- 9 yds on 7 carries.
Wis- 15 yds on 9 carries
LSU- 37 yds on 18 carries
OSu- 52 yds on 10 carries.

So, when we ran into tough rush defenses, Weisman averaged less than 2 yds/carry on 3 of them and had one decent game vs OSU, a weaker defense.

Sorry, but in the Iowa offense, which absolutely counts on staying ahead of the sticks...2 yds per carry get them beat, and it did.,

I know that against the lil sisters of the poor, Weisman can pile up some yards, but even in those games, the games are close, because we cannot score tds grinding out 14 play drives at 3-4 yds a pop, but no big running plays....leaves Iowa vulnerable to lesser teams who might throw a bomb late for a td, after Iowa has drives die due to a 3rd and short passing breakdown....we need big plays that result in TDs, not fgs after 15 play drives fall short.
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If you're gonna list the stats for the Hebrew Hammer in our losses to the "BCS" teams, I'd suggest listing the stats of er'body else for those games too. Nobody was doing anything offensively vs MSU, Wisky, or LSU. We couldn't run or pass.

As for the OSU game, the offense did fine. The D was unable to make a stop and get off the field. We rushed for 130, and JR threw for 245. So throw that game off your list.

As for the other 3 you listed? Those were all top defenses (Wisky and MSU were the top 2 in B1G, IIRC). The stretch play doesn't work as well vs fast defenses (especially ones that are as talented as MSU, Wisky, and LSU); but you can't totally abandon those outside plays, otherwise you shrink the field even more than it already is.
 
JHHawk said:
Maybe what Dolph, Eddie and the fans remember is that in our 4 losses to BCS teams, Weisman did the following:

MSU- 9 yds on 7 carries.
Wis- 15 yds on 9 carries
LSU- 37 yds on 18 carries
OSu- 52 yds on 10 carries.

So, when we ran into tough rush defenses, Weisman averaged less than 2 yds/carry on 3 of them and had one decent game vs OSU, a weaker defense.

Sorry, but in the Iowa offense, which absolutely counts on staying ahead of the sticks...2 yds per carry get them beat, and it did.,

I know that against the lil sisters of the poor, Weisman can pile up some yards, but even in those games, the games are close, because we cannot score tds grinding out 14 play drives at 3-4 yds a pop, but no big running plays....leaves Iowa vulnerable to lesser teams who might throw a bomb late for a td, after Iowa has drives die due to a 3rd and short passing breakdown....we need big plays that result in TDs, not fgs after 15 play drives fall short.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes you are 100% correct this is indeed how fans think....they drastically over simplify everything. I couldn't have penned it out any better. As another said those were all top D's and quite frankly the "big" play or as fans like to call it, the "homerun" is all just fan stuff. Chris Johnson, the fastest Rber in the NFL had one great year. Now he is an after thought.....[/FONT]

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PS.....MW's carries in those games weren't all or even mostly outside friend.
 
HawkIPA said:
Chad, I dont think the site Owner/Publisher/Founder is going to appreciate you calling him out like this. He has been chief among the folks calling for no more outside zone runs for Weisman.
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Well then that's on him, I know what really happened and I know what Marc diagrammed after the season.

C
 
Eda said:
If you're gonna list the stats for the Hebrew Hammer in our losses to the "BCS" teams, I'd suggest listing the stats of er'body else for those games too. Nobody was doing anything offensively vs MSU, Wisky, or LSU. We couldn't run or pass.

As for the OSU game, the offense did fine. The D was unable to make a stop and get off the field. We rushed for 130, and JR threw for 245. So throw that game off your list.

As for the other 3 you listed? Those were all top defenses (Wisky and MSU were the top 2 in B1G, IIRC). The stretch play doesn't work as well vs fast defenses (especially ones that are as talented as MSU, Wisky, and LSU); but you can't totally abandon those outside plays, otherwise you shrink the field even more than it already is.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nice to see someone with an open mind.....its funny, even the smartest fan doesn't see what the dumbest coach typically does. There is always more going on 2, 4, 8 plays ahead than we see. Kudos to you, I get tired of the complaining...so I like people who try and see the "why" not just the result.[/FONT]

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