Steve Forbes being from Lone Tree actually a problem?

I think Duff is talking about how the family that wins the lottery suddenly has a lot of friends.

Right now, he is a local boy done good a thousand miles away.

Become the head coach and now is he is a local boy done great 10 miles away. There is added pressure in that.

Now, to not hire him because of that is beyond idiotic. I really like Forbes and would be thrilled if that is where we wound up.
 
BSpringsteen said:
I think Duff is talking about how the family that wins the lottery suddenly has a lot of friends.

Right now, he is a local boy done good a thousand miles away.

Become the head coach and now is he is a local boy done great 10 miles away. There is added pressure in that.

Now, to not hire him because of that is beyond idiotic. I really like Forbes and would be thrilled if that is where we wound up.
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EVERY college basketball coach is under pressure. Suggesting that he's under a lot more pressure at IOWA because he grew up 10 minutes from Iowa City is ridiculous.

What does that mean anyway? Because he grew up near Iowa City means the expectation for him are a different standard than somebody who didn't?

Good lord...
 
It's not beyond rediculous. It's rediculous to dismiss it completely. If he were the head coach at a school in chicago he could go about his daily life and not be recognized. He could dissapear if he needed to. If he's the HC at Iowa he's not going to be able to take a **** without 20 people wanting to know if it had corn in it. In addition to that you do have the lottery winner factor.

He will certainly feel pressure as a coach of a D1 institution, and he will likely feel more pressure because he's the home town kid. Todd Licklighter came in and failed miserably, tomorrow he's going to move back home to be around his friends and family and they wont give a rats ***. Three years from now if Forbes is in the same boat he's going to go home to Lone Tree and be forever reminded that he's the local boy that couldn't get the job done.

Some people would shrug off that additional pressure and it wouldnt impact them at all. Some would be completely overcome by it. Most would probably be inbetween those two extremes. The pressure would not have any impact at all in his ability to coach, but it might very well impact his actions as the coach and ultimately his results.

I'm not arguing it would impact him or it would not impact him at all. I'm asking if anyone else could see it as a factor. You could have easily said "No" and given a reason or two and been on your way. You evidently elected to act like a 3rd grader so I tried to explain it above as I would to a third grader.
 
iowahawkeyes89 said:
I know what he's saying, but he has nothing to prove that.

Its a completely ridiculous concept.
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There are numerous examples in sports and in the real world where the pressure of being a home town guy lead to someone pressing and thier performance suffered.
 
iowahawkeyes89 said:
City is ridiculous.

What does that mean anyway? Because he grew up near Iowa City means the expectation for him are a different standard than somebody who didn't?
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Nope same expectations. Of course if you fail to meet them the ramifications sure are different.
 
DuffMan said:
It's not beyond rediculous. It's rediculous to dismiss it completely. If he were the head coach at a school in chicago he could go about his daily life and not be recognized. He could dissapear if he needed to. If he's the HC at Iowa he's not going to be able to take a **** without 20 people wanting to know if it had corn in it. In addition to that you do have the lottery winner factor.

He will certainly feel pressure as a coach of a D1 institution, and he will likely feel more pressure because he's the home town kid. Todd Licklighter came in and failed miserably, tomorrow he's going to move back home to be around his friends and family and they wont give a rats ***. Three years from now if Forbes is in the same boat he's going to go home to Lone Tree and be forever reminded that he's the local boy that couldn't get the job done.

Some people would shrug off that additional pressure and it wouldnt impact them at all. Some would be completely overcome by it. Most would probably be inbetween those two extremes. The pressure would not have any impact at all in his ability to coach, but it might very well impact his actions as the coach and ultimately his results.

I'm not arguing it would impact him or it would not impact him at all. I'm asking if anyone else could see it as a factor. You could have easily said "No" and given a reason or two and been on your way. You evidently elected to act like a 3rd grader so I tried to explain it above as I would to a third grader.
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The lottery winner factor? LOL wow...

If the "pressures" wouldn't have any impact on his ability to coach, whats the problem?

What actions as the coach would it affect?

I'm not acting like a third grader, but if your going to throw out a random theory that has no proof behind it, you should expect somebody to ask you wtf your thinking...
 
DuffMan said:
There are numerous examples in sports and in the real world where the pressure of being a home town guy lead to someone pressing and thier performance suffered.
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You can't prove that, while there are examples of PLAYERS having that happen. Theres no proof that they didn't succeed before of them being in their home town.
 
DuffMan said:
It's not beyond rediculous. It's rediculous to dismiss it completely. If he were the head coach at a school in chicago he could go about his daily life and not be recognized. He could dissapear if he needed to. If he's the HC at Iowa he's not going to be able to take a **** without 20 people wanting to know if it had corn in it. In addition to that you do have the lottery winner factor.

He will certainly feel pressure as a coach of a D1 institution, and he will likely feel more pressure because he's the home town kid. Todd Licklighter came in and failed miserably, tomorrow he's going to move back home to be around his friends and family and they wont give a rats ***. Three years from now if Forbes is in the same boat he's going to go home to Lone Tree and be forever reminded that he's the local boy that couldn't get the job done.

Some people would shrug off that additional pressure and it wouldnt impact them at all. Some would be completely overcome by it. Most would probably be inbetween those two extremes. The pressure would not have any impact at all in his ability to coach, but it might very well impact his actions as the coach and ultimately his results.

I'm not arguing it would impact him or it would not impact him at all. I'm asking if anyone else could see it as a factor. You could have easily said "No" and given a reason or two and been on your way. You evidently elected to act like a 3rd grader so I tried to explain it above as I would to a third grader.
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What's ridiculous is that I see the word "ridiculous" spelled "rediculous" more often than not. If it hasn't already been diculous, it's not possible for it to already be rediculous.
 
Ability and performance are two different things. The history of sports is littered with people who's performance was impacted by pressure. How many pitchers thrive in the set up role yet flounder as a closer? Why? Thier ability doesn't change. They throw the same pitches against the same guys in the 8th inning as they do in the 9th. Some struggle because for whatever reason they can't handle the pressure. If you don't understand how pressure can impact someones performance you are an absolute moron.

If you honestly believe that coaching in his home town, for his favorite team growing up, with friends and family members living all around him, would add no pressure to the situation then you are an absolute moron.

Would he physically banished no. Could failing at this job make visiting home awfully uncomfortable sure.

Outside of that I'm done. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who doesnt have the mental capacity to understand these things or is looking for a fight (you are one of the two just not sure which). I honestly cant belive I've wasted as much time on this as I have.
 
DuffMan said:
Ability and performance are two different things. The history of sports is littered with people who's performance was impacted by pressure. How many pitchers thrive in the set up role yet flounder as a closer? Why? Thier ability doesn't change. They throw the same pitches against the same guys in the 8th inning as they do in the 9th. Some struggle because for whatever reason they can't handle the pressure. If you don't understand how pressure can impact someones performance you are an absolute moron.

If you honestly believe that coaching in his home town, for his favorite team growing up, with friends and family members living all around him, would add no pressure to the situation then you are an absolute moron.

Would he physically banished no. Could failing at this job make visiting home awfully uncomfortable sure.

Outside of that I'm done. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who doesnt have the mental capacity to understand these things or is looking for a fight (you are one of the two just not sure which). I honestly cant belive I've wasted as much time on this as I have.
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So because he grew up near Iowa City, his coaching "performance" will be impacted?

I understand your "theory", but you can't prove that because he grew up near Iowa City has any impact on his performance.

And really the same can be said for a player that plays in his home city. Theres no way to prove that his performance was hurt because of that one factor.

If you went up to Barta (or anyone with a brain), they would think your on crack if you decided not to hire somebody because of your RIDICULOUS criteria. (and yes, thats how you spell ridiculous)
 
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How would failing at his job make visiting uncomfortable? You must live in a different world than I do.

You really think he would be scarred for life or something?
 
DuffMan said:
Ability and performance are two different things. The history of sports is littered with people who's performance was impacted by pressure. How many pitchers thrive in the set up role yet flounder as a closer? Why? Thier ability doesn't change. They throw the same pitches against the same guys in the 8th inning as they do in the 9th. Some struggle because for whatever reason they can't handle the pressure. If you don't understand how pressure can impact someones performance you are an absolute moron.

If you honestly believe that coaching in his home town, for his favorite team growing up, with friends and family members living all around him, would add no pressure to the situation then you are an absolute moron.

Would he physically banished no. Could failing at this job make visiting home awfully uncomfortable sure.

Outside of that I'm done. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who doesnt have the mental capacity to understand these things or is looking for a fight (you are one of the two just not sure which). I honestly cant belive I've wasted as much time on this as I have.
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I don't think it would be uncomfortable. I don't think in 5 years if Lick walked into Iowa City people would make it uncomfortable. Even so if SF does visit Lone Tree, he's probably going to visit family and for the most part families are supportive of each other, and I happen to know a lot of his family, and know they would be supportive no matter how he did at Iowa. I don't entirely disagree with you about the pressure, but that's going to be on any coach with the way the last 3 seasons went.
 
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