State of Iowa FB/Athl. Dept./Barta

BillSPrestonEsq

BillSPrestonEsq

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This is building off a post about firing Barta...at what point does a University realize that its athletic director and overall department are generally failing in performance and decide to make a change? Does the University of Iowa care about its athletic status in the Big Ten and NCAA overall or is it content with simply fielding teams?

Does the issue with a fledgling football program go much higher than the head coach and their personnel? What pressure does Barta have if the U doesn't give a $hit and its apparent they probably don't...

Check out Barta's performance in Big Ten rankings from the NACDA:
2006-07: 11th(out of 11);
2007-08: 11th(out of 11);
2008-09: 10th(out of 11);
2009-10: 11th(out of 11);
2010-11: 9th(out of 11);
2011-12: 12th(out of 12);
2012-13: 12th(out of 12);
2013-14: 12th(out of 12);
2014-15: 10th(out of 14);
2015-16: 13th(out of 14)

This is like a company under performing against all 11-14 of its competitors in the same industry for 10 + years and keeping the CEO.

IMO...the U doesn't care about athletics, puts no pressure on Barta to win (or stop losing), is content with the current FB and MBB cash machines funding everything else on the AD side and is fine with SALY (same as last year) results. Meanwhile the fans are pissed and despite getting lucky with 12-0 a couple years ago (which provided several years worth of financial fuel to the AD), are looking for more.

And the cycle continues...

Thoughts?
 
In 2015 when Iowa had a dominant season in football, he only managed to get up to the 10 spot. That tells me he and Iowa has a lot of work to do.
 
BillSPrestonEsq said:
This is building off a post about firing Barta...at what point does a University realize that its athletic director and overall department are generally failing in performance and decide to make a change? Does the University of Iowa care about its athletic status in the Big Ten and NCAA overall or is it content with simply fielding teams?

Does the issue with a fledgling football program go much higher than the head coach and their personnel? What pressure does Barta have if the U doesn't give a $hit and its apparent they probably don't...

Check out Barta's performance in Big Ten rankings from the NACDA:
2006-07: 11th(out of 11);
2007-08: 11th(out of 11);
2008-09: 10th(out of 11);
2009-10: 11th(out of 11);
2010-11: 9th(out of 11);
2011-12: 12th(out of 12);
2012-13: 12th(out of 12);
2013-14: 12th(out of 12);
2014-15: 10th(out of 14);
2015-16: 13th(out of 14)

This is like a company under performing against all 11-14 of its competitors in the same industry for 10 + years and keeping the CEO.

IMO...the U doesn't care about athletics, puts no pressure on Barta to win (or stop losing), is content with the current FB and MBB cash machines funding everything else on the AD side and is fine with SALY (same as last year) results. Meanwhile the fans are pissed and despite getting lucky with 12-0 a couple years ago (which provided several years worth of financial fuel to the AD), are looking for more.

And the cycle continues...

Thoughts?
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Lol.

The Director's Cup is the biggest joke in college sports. It gives equal weight to all programs which is ridiculous because not all schools even have all of the programs that they use to score it. "Cash machines" or not, MBB and FB are the only 2 sports that 99% of college fans care about anyway, so why would it make sense for ADs to pour money and resources into them? I'm a huge baseball fan and love to watch the Hawks when I can, but I'm under no illusion that Barta spends more than 10 minutes a week thinking about it. There is a reason why you can buy $10,000+ football season tickets and parking spots, and season baseball tickets cost $75. Do you really think anyone is going to put resources into tennis and golf?

The first year after they created the thing, Stanford got second place and every...single...year after that they've won it. I'd be pretty skeptical of the parity of anything that the same team wins 23 years in a row. It's hard enough to boost one program, let alone start kicking ass in all the others. College sports need to be viewed program by program, not by the A.Dept as a whole, especially in today's age where 2 sports dominate almost the entire revenue stream and TV time.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
In 2015 when Iowa had a dominant season in football, he only managed to get up to the 10 spot. That tells me he and Iowa has a lot of work to do.
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It goes strictly by post season performance except in football, where it goes by ranking at the end of the year.
 
BillSPrestonEsq said:
This is building off a post about firing Barta...at what point does a University realize that its athletic director and overall department are generally failing in performance and decide to make a change? Does the University of Iowa care about its athletic status in the Big Ten and NCAA overall or is it content with simply fielding teams?

Does the issue with a fledgling football program go much higher than the head coach and their personnel? What pressure does Barta have if the U doesn't give a $hit and its apparent they probably don't...

Check out Barta's performance in Big Ten rankings from the NACDA:
2006-07: 11th(out of 11);
2007-08: 11th(out of 11);
2008-09: 10th(out of 11);
2009-10: 11th(out of 11);
2010-11: 9th(out of 11);
2011-12: 12th(out of 12);
2012-13: 12th(out of 12);
2013-14: 12th(out of 12);
2014-15: 10th(out of 14);
2015-16: 13th(out of 14)

This is like a company under performing against all 11-14 of its competitors in the same industry for 10 + years and keeping the CEO.

IMO...the U doesn't care about athletics, puts no pressure on Barta to win (or stop losing), is content with the current FB and MBB cash machines funding everything else on the AD side and is fine with SALY (same as last year) results. Meanwhile the fans are pissed and despite getting lucky with 12-0 a couple years ago (which provided several years worth of financial fuel to the AD), are looking for more.

And the cycle continues...

Thoughts?
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I agree with FryIowa

I think the U cares about 2 (probably 3 with Wrestling) sports. But FB and BB r king. The football team has printed money for a long while. They're building on to the program, not scaling back. The AD seems to be pretty good and fundraising which is as important as being worth a shit in table tennis. The BB program is on the rise. The AD was found guilty in the court of law for breaking laws this summer and kept his job. They don't care about anything other then $$$ and Iowa is making plenty of it.
 
Don't call 2015 "lucky" unless you're willing to say in other years where they haven't been as successful that they were "unlucky". They had a good team in 2015, and one can quibble with whether the schedule was grueling as other years, but they still had to win those games. That wasn't luck.

Revenue is king. As long as the revenue is there, the changes made will be modest and barely noticeable. It's also true that football is the driver and men's bb the co-pilot, the rest are just passengers. If things get bad, the fans may get a nod from the athletic department, but if the revenue stays good, the incentive to change is small.
 
It wont be a problem until peopl stop donations and stop buying season tickets.
Barta excels at wringing money from Iowa fans. That's the only thing he excels at.
 
Fryowa said:
It goes strictly by post season performance except in football, where it goes by ranking at the end of the year.
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Thanks for clarifying. Regardless though, it still shows many bottom feeding teams in the BIG are doing just as good or better with their sports.
 
homes said:
Don't call 2015 "lucky" unless you're willing to say in other years where they haven't been as successful that they were "unlucky". They had a good team in 2015, and one can quibble with whether the schedule was grueling as other years, but they still had to win those games. That wasn't luck.

Revenue is king. As long as the revenue is there, the changes made will be modest and barely noticeable. It's also true that football is the driver and men's bb the co-pilot, the rest are just passengers. If things get bad, the fans may get a nod from the athletic department, but if the revenue stays good, the incentive to change is small.
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this is the answer, as long as the money keeps coming in nothing will change, and why should it this is a business
 
lightning1 said:
It wont be a problem until peopl stop donations and stop buying season tickets.
Barta excels at wringing money from Iowa fans. That's the only thing he excels at.
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Correct and those donations/people who stop buying season tix will need multiple sub 500 seasons to bring that into play. So I guess those complaining better start rooting hard against the team you claim love. I personally can’t bring myself to do that.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
Correct and those donations/people who stop buying season tix will need multiple sub 500 seasons to bring that into play. So I guess those complaining better start rooting hard against the team you claim love. I personally can’t bring myself to do that.
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Rooting for or against a team, expecting it to have some effect on the outcome, is beyond stupid. Father time will catch up to KF soon enough. Then we'll understand exactly how awful an AD Gary Barta really is.
 
lightning1 said:
It wont be a problem until peopl stop donations and stop buying season tickets.
Barta excels at wringing money from Iowa fans. That's the only thing he excels at.
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And that is his job. His job isn't to please the unhappy 'unwashed' that hate KF unless they affect ticket sales and donations.

Side note: that kinda puts Iowa fans in a bad light, doesn't it? Down there with Nebby fans?
 
HomerChampless said:
And that is his job. His job isn't to please the unhappy 'unwashed' that hate KF unless they affect ticket sales and donations.

Side note: that kinda puts Iowa fans in a bad light, doesn't it? Down there with Nebby fans?
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Fans are competitive. They want wins and conference titles. That doesn't make them "unwashed". I'd go as far as to suggest that fans on message boards probably represent the most competitive fans. It also doesn't make them "haters".
Now, some fans are just miserable and want to complain or troll. You can label these fans any way you like.
Competitive fans that spend money and want certain results get the same privilege that you do, when it comes to deciding how to spend their money.
For me, the tailgate crackdown was the final straw for me. It just so happened to coincide with the 2010 season. That was the last year I bought season tickets.
 
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