Stanzi Wonderlic

hawkeye12345 said:
R.C. Fisher is the same author from the other Stanzi thread. He is simply trying to justify his formula. If he's right he makes millions, if he's wrong he fades into obscurity. He truly has nothing to lose by picking a fringe QB that could potentially justify his findings. I'd expect at least two more articles from this guy before the draft on Stanzi.
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How exactly, is R. C. Fisher going to make milllions by just picking Stanzi an an elite NFL QB? :confused:
 
Ricky will go in the late 3rd or early 4th. Its like taking a 7'1 center as a freshman. You can't teach the physical part of it. He won't be a Brady, but he does have smarts and is very competitive. He has moved up close to the top 100 prospects and is rated the 4-5th QB taken. He was growing in talent as a junior and senior and knows how to win. He can be ugly but he can also thrill you with great throws. We will see.
 
RADMAN said:
Ricky will go in the late 3rd or early 4th. Its like taking a 7'1 center as a freshman. You can't teach the physical part of it. He won't be a Brady, but he does have smarts and is very competitive. He has moved up close to the top 100 prospects and is rated the 4-5th QB taken. He was growing in talent as a junior and senior and knows how to win. He can be ugly but he can also thrill you with great throws. We will see.
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You know what, Tom Brady wasn't Brady when he was drafted in the 7th round either. Does that make sense? Anybody understand what I'm getting at? ;)
 
Stanzi could be a really good NFL QB. TIme will tell but he is big, can move around, and pretty smart. Lets see if this stuff moves him up the board. Too bad he may be playing in Canada if he plays in 2011 since the NFL owners and players are too busy going to court over a "MORE MONEY" and not focused on fans at all......I think I'm done with NFL except for cheering for former hawks. I'll give my money and time to Hawkeyes only
 
hawkeye12345 said:
boat, you are smarter than that.

First of all, would the initial article be worth anything if the stats showed one of the top 4 QBs? Of course not. ALL of the analysts are predicting those guys to be high draft picks. They are doing it based upon the actions on the field too. Those 4 QBs pass the eye test. Stanzi doesn't so he is a perfect poster child for this guy to get paid - IF Stanzi proves him to be right.

No red flags for Stanzi? Maybe according to this guys stats but taking sacks in the red zone on 3rd down and moving the team out of FG position would be a red flag. Throwing pick 6s would be a red flag.
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That's because all of those guys do have red flags.

Gabbert really isn't that efficient. His yardage looks great, but he throws an awful lot of passes.

Mallett can be very interception-prone because of bone-headed decisions that he makes because of over-confidence in his arm strength.

Newton's "rating" hinges a lot on his Wonderlic score (which I don't anticipate being very impressive).

Locker? Really, HE passes your eyeball test? He can run, and can throw the ball a country mile. But he could hit the broad side of a barn maybe 4 out of 10 times. Quite possibly the most over-hyped quarterback I've ever seen.
 
theboat said:
I would say that none of the 4 QBs pass the eye test. There is anything but a sure thing at QB in this draft. If Stanzi threw the ball 45 times a game he would have the same stats as a guy like Gabbert (also stated in the article).

And if what you say is correct, then why would he throw out Andrew Luck as well, since he is the most "sure" thing at QB in the last 5 years?

You seem determined to hope for Stanzi's failure and I don't get it.
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He didn't throw Andrew Luck out, he just set him aside until next year since Luck isn't entering this years draft.

I disagree about throwing the ball 45 times. The only game this year that Stanzi threw the ball more than 40 times was at NW. We lost by the way. His next highest passing total was against Wisky - we lost by the way. His 3rd highest passing total this year was against Arizona - we lost by the way. Do you see a pattern here? The guy CAN NOT put a team on his back and scratch out a win.
 
this argument won't be settled for at least 3-4 years, agree to disagree and move on 12345. let some of us have some hope for ricky, he's a leader and has some good skills. he has a chance, that's all they're saying. lay off the kid a little.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
He didn't throw Andrew Luck out, he just set him aside until next year since Luck isn't entering this years draft.

I disagree about throwing the ball 45 times. The only game this year that Stanzi threw the ball more than 40 times was at NW. We lost by the way. His next highest passing total was against Wisky - we lost by the way. His 3rd highest passing total this year was against Arizona - we lost by the way. Do you see a pattern here? The guy CAN NOT put a team on his back and scratch out a win.
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Peyton Manning had 6 games this season in which he threw 46 passes or more. The Colts lost all 6 games.

Aaron Rodgers had two games in which he threw 40 or more passes. The Packers lost both games.

Phillip Rivers had 4 games with over 40 passes. The Chargers lost all 4 games.

Ben Roethlisberger had 3 games with 40 or more attempts, including the Super Bowl. Guess what, the Steelers lost all 3 games.

But those guys couldn't put a team on their backs and scratch out a win, nevermind the 4 Super Bowl rings among them.

News flash: throwing 40+ passes in a game is not typically conducive to winning in a pro-style offense. That's nothing new.

In fact, of all the "elite" NFL QB's, only Drew Brees (6-3), Tom Brady (3-1), and Matt Ryan (2-2) won even just one game in which they threw 40 or more passes.
 
tm3308 said:
Peyton Manning had 6 games this season in which he threw 46 passes or more. The Colts lost all 6 games.

Aaron Rodgers had two games in which he threw 40 or more passes. The Packers lost both games.

Phillip Rivers had 4 games with over 40 passes. The Chargers lost all 4 games.

Ben Roethlisberger had 3 games with 40 or more attempts, including the Super Bowl. Guess what, the Steelers lost all 3 games.

But those guys couldn't put a team on their backs and scratch out a win, nevermind the 4 Super Bowl rings among them.

News flash: throwing 40+ passes in a game is not typically conducive to winning in a pro-style offense. That's nothing new.

In fact, of all the "elite" NFL QB's, only Drew Brees (6-3), Tom Brady (3-1), and Matt Ryan (2-2) won even just one game in which they threw 40 or more passes.
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May I add it isn't like the defense gave Ricky a lot of help this year. Hawkeye123245 thinks so simplisticly it's mindboggling. Let's just forget about the two previous years & winning record & focus on the one year the D couldn't come thru for Stanzi in the 4th quarter.

Ricky had his team in a position to win in almost every game they lost in his career. There were not a lot of blow-outs & more often than not, the D let the team down, not Stanzi.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
May I add it isn't like the defense gave Ricky a lot of help this year. Hawkeye123245 thinks so simplisticly it's mindboggling. Let's just forget about the two previous years & winning record & focus on the one year the D couldn't come thru for Stanzi in the 4th quarter.

Ricky had his team in a position to win in almost every game they lost in his career. There were not a lot of blow-outs & more often than not, the D let the team down, not Stanzi.
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Nope. All Ricky's fault. 12345 is a clown.
 
tm3308 said:
Peyton Manning had 6 games this season in which he threw 46 passes or more. The Colts lost all 6 games.

Aaron Rodgers had two games in which he threw 40 or more passes. The Packers lost both games.

Phillip Rivers had 4 games with over 40 passes. The Chargers lost all 4 games.

Ben Roethlisberger had 3 games with 40 or more attempts, including the Super Bowl. Guess what, the Steelers lost all 3 games.

But those guys couldn't put a team on their backs and scratch out a win, nevermind the 4 Super Bowl rings among them.

News flash: throwing 40+ passes in a game is not typically conducive to winning in a pro-style offense. That's nothing new.

In fact, of all the "elite" NFL QB's, only Drew Brees (6-3), Tom Brady (3-1), and Matt Ryan (2-2) won even just one game in which they threw 40 or more passes.
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hawkeye12345 said:
R.C. Fisher is the same author from the other Stanzi thread. He is simply trying to justify his formula. If he's right he makes millions, if he's wrong he fades into obscurity. He truly has nothing to lose by picking a fringe QB that could potentially justify his findings. I'd expect at least two more articles from this guy before the draft on Stanzi.
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Interesting how you keep focusing on the part where he "picked" Stanzi... His formula put Stanzi at the top.. not him picking a particualr QB and skewing the numbers to match him. Also don't forget his formula predicted busts in some of the top 4-5 QB's... If most of them became successful, wouldn't that hurt the formula just as much as Stanzi coming out on top? Even if Stanzi proved himself to be a successful QB in the NFL, wouldn't it hurt him if those other QB's were successful besides the "red flags"? Seems to me you've got something against Stanzi...
 
" Also, Tom Brady has never taken a sack that moved his team out of field goal range. its a FACT."

Wow, I will have to look at Tom Brady's high school, college and pro stats for "Took a sack that knocked his team out of field goal range" called TASTKHTOOFGR.
 
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