Soooo....Anti-Ferentz crowd

CP87 said:
Epenesa is definitely a generational talent (i.e., one that comes along only once per generation).

I don't know how you can say Stone is a generational talent when we had a comparable player last year (Hooker) and the year before (Jackson) and the year before that (King). And when each of those players left, claims were made that they were irreplacable. And yet, a new all-B1G defensive back always steps into the void.

Wirfs is pretty damn impressive, but probably roughly comparable to Scherff (higher ceiling, though), who graduated within the last 5 years.

Jackson will be a great pro. He has also said emphatically that he is returning next year. He stated that he played this season at about 70% health, and he wants to show the pros what he can really do.

Stanely has been a great Hawk, but again, not a generational talent. He is not definitively better than the guy he replaced (Beathard), or the guy that opened the decade (Stanzi).

I saw you state in another thread that no help is on the way for the interior OL. Yet...
  • we started a RS soph (Schott) when he was healthy
  • hopefully Banwart will be able to return from ACL (he would be a 3-year starter next year, though has been snake-bit by health)
  • a true frehsman (Britt) and a RS freshman (Ince) saw reps during the year
  • Iowa redshirted 3 guys who came in as 300lb true freshman (4*'s Miller and Endres, as well as 3* Fenske).
Do you really think it is inconceivable that several players from that group develop into quality guards?

Your takes seem excessively pessimistic when considering objective evidence (gradually improving recruiting, returning 97% of yards from scrimmage and 94% of TDs from scrimmage, a strong recent history of developing NFL-caliber players).
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Where were the linemen we redshirted when Iowa was giving up sacks up the middle like Nathan's hot dogs at a baseball game and couldn't punch in touchdowns inside the 20 all year long? If one of these were the savior to be, we'd surely have seen him during that time. Schott was good when he was in, but we need two guards, not one.

Stanley is one of only two QBs to win three bowl games, and is second on the all time list for yards and TDs, and won 27 games. Statistically, he is responsible for more points than any QB in Ferentz history. It's hard to argue with that resume. There have been many better single-season QBs, but for a career, only one better. As for being better than Beathard; well, he had more wins, more TDs, and more yards, and won the starting job straight out of the gate by earning the coaches' trust. My opinion is that he's better, despite both CJ, Stanzi, and Brad Banks taking single season teams farther in the rankings and win column.

When I speak of Stone I am thinking of him as a strong safety - he's the best we've had since Bob Sanders, and that's twenty years ago. Hooker was good at the ca$h, but Stone's just ridiculous. King was the best CB Iowa's ever produced, no argument there. I did say possibly. I think we're going to be ok at LB and CB. SS/CA$H guys have been fewer between in the Ferentz era.

Anyway, yes, I'm pessimistic, but I haven't seen enough from the QB and interior line to say that next year will be better than this year. I think we're quibbling over 2 games, as I think 9 - 3 is the ceiling next year and 7 - 5 is the floor. I'm voting floor based on what we're projected to lose.
 
cincyhawk said:
Where were the linemen we redshirted when Iowa was giving up sacks up the middle like Nathan's hot dogs at a baseball game and couldn't punch in touchdowns inside the 20 all year long? If one of these were the savior to be, we'd surely have seen him during that time. Schott was good when he was in, but we need two guards, not one.

Stanley is one of only two QBs to win three bowl games, and is second on the all time list for yards and TDs, and won 27 games. Statistically, he is responsible for more points than any QB in Ferentz history. It's hard to argue with that resume. There have been many better single-season QBs, but for a career, only one better. As for being better than Beathard; well, he had more wins, more TDs, and more yards, and won the starting job straight out of the gate by earning the coaches' trust. My opinion is that he's better, despite both CJ, Stanzi, and Brad Banks taking single season teams farther in the rankings and win column.

When I speak of Stone I am thinking of him as a strong safety - he's the best we've had since Bob Sanders, and that's twenty years ago. Hooker was good at the ca$h, but Stone's just ridiculous. King was the best CB Iowa's ever produced, no argument there. I did say possibly. I think we're going to be ok at LB and CB. SS/CA$H guys have been fewer between in the Ferentz era.

Anyway, yes, I'm pessimistic, but I haven't seen enough from the QB and interior line to say that next year will be better than this year. I think we're quibbling over 2 games, as I think 9 - 3 is the ceiling next year and 7 - 5 is the floor. I'm voting floor based on what we're projected to lose.
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I think your take is reasonable, but I am going to be much more glass-half-full. Just because a true freshman wasn't ready this year, that does not mean he cannot make a difference next year. For OL, the difference between 1st and 2nd year on campus is enormous. Linderbaum saw spot duty as a DT as a true freshman, and was as top-line OC as a RS frosh. Wirfs had a fair share of struggles as a true freshman, and he earned honorable mention All-B1G after his sophomore year. Schott was pretty good this year, two years ago he was a walkon no one had ever heard of.

I just think your belief that none of the talented 1st and 2nd year OL will become quality 2nd and 3rd year contributors flies in the face of tons of evidence from the last 20 years.
 
I refuse to waste even a minute predicting what or what may not happen next season... when it's not even January.
Good grief, it hasn't even been 24 hrs since the Hokey-pokey!
Still smiling and enjoying the Corn-fed beatdown we gave those Cali-pukes.

GO HAWKS!
 
Over the last five years

Huge Wins
2017 Ohio State (12-2)
2015 Wisconsin (10-3)
2018 Mississippi State (8-5)
2016 Michigan (10-3)
2019 Southern Cal (8-5)

Wins against very good teams.
2015 Northwestern (10-3)
2017 Iowa State (8-5)
2019 Minnesota (10--2) so far
2015 Pittsburgh (8-5)
2016 Minnesota (9-4)
2016 Nebraska (9-4)
2017 Boston College (7-6)
2018 Iowa State (8-5)
 
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CP87 said:
I think your take is reasonable, but I am going to be much more glass-half-full. Just because a true freshman wasn't ready this year, that does not mean he cannot make a difference next year. For OL, the difference between 1st and 2nd year on campus is enormous. Linderbaum saw spot duty as a DT as a true freshman, and was as top-line OC as a RS frosh. Wirfs had a fair share of struggles as a true freshman, and he earned honorable mention All-B1G after his sophomore year. Schott was pretty good this year, two years ago he was a walkon no one had ever heard of.

I just think your belief that none of the talented 1st and 2nd year OL will become quality 2nd and 3rd year contributors flies in the face of tons of evidence from the last 20 years.
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To elaborate, 1st team All-B1G OL at Iowa over the last 10 years (edit: I neglected to add Wirfs, I just put him in):
  • Tristan Wirfs
    • as true fresman, did not see any action at OL in 4 of first 5 games, but then started remainder of season due to injuries to Boettger and Meyers (honorable mention all-freshman team)
    • starter as soph, honorable mention all-B1G
    • as junior 1st team all-B1G, named conference OL of the year
  • Sean Welsh
    • RS
    • started 7 games as fr
    • honorable mention all-B1G as soph
    • 2nd team as jr
    • 1st team as sr
  • Jordan Walsh
    • RS
    • started 1 game as fr
    • started all 13 games as soph
    • started 10 games as jr
    • started 14 games as sr and earned 1st team all-B1G
  • Brandon Scherff
    • RS
    • started 3 games as fr
    • started 1st 7 games as soph before injury
    • all-B1G first team as jr
    • all-B1G first team and Outland winner as a senior
  • Riley Reiff
    • RS
    • started 11 of 13 games as fr
    • started all 13 games as soph [2nd team all-B1G]
    • all-B1G 1st team and all-American as jr
So @cincyhawk , by your logic, we could have written off every one of these guys but Wirf off after their 1st year on campus because none of them were good enough to help during their freshman campaigns (and Wirfs primarily got in due to inujuries). After their 2nd year on campus, only Reiff and Wirfs had started a large majority of games.

So, we can hope Miller, Endres, or Fenske is Reiff or Wirfs, and can be a good player right away by 2nd year on campus.

Or, more realistically, we can hope someone like Ince, Britt, or Schott who have already gotten their feet wet can make a jump to a solid starter (like many of the above players did from their RS Fr to their RS So years).
 
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HawkeyeDenis said:
As for Brian. That was a well called game. that ISM pass almost broke the game open early on. Totally unexpected. The game was a great combination of Kirk's caution and Brian's opening the playbook.
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Didnt we still score a TD on the drive where ISM missed B SMith on the receiver pass play. Am I missing something.
 
uihawk82 said:
Didnt we still score a TD on the drive where ISM missed B SMith on the receiver pass play. Am I missing something.
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Yes, Iowa did score on that drive. The onside kick could have been trouble after the quick USC touchdown but Eppy took things in hand.
 
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To elaborate, 1st team All-B1G OL at Iowa over the last 10 years:
  • Sean Welsh
    • RS
    • started 7 games as fr
    • honorable mention all-B1G as soph
    • 2nd team as jr
    • 1st team as sr
  • Jordan Walsh
    • RS
    • started 1 game as fr
    • started all 13 games as soph
    • started 10 games as jr
    • started 14 games as sr and earned 1st team all-B1G
  • Brandon Scherff
    • RS
    • started 3 games as fr
    • started 1st 7 games as soph before injury
    • all-B1G first team as jr
    • all-B1G first team and Outland winner as a senior
  • Riley Reiff
    • RS
    • started 11 of 13 games as fr
    • started all 13 games as soph [2nd team all-B1G]
    • all-B1G 1st team and all-American as jr
So @cincyhawk , by your logic, we could have written every one of these guys off after their 1st year on campus because none of them were good enough to help during their freshman campaigns. Even after their 2nd year on campus, only Reiff had started a large majority of games.

So, we can hope Miller, Endres, or Fenske is Reiff, and can be a good player right away as a RS frosh.

Or, more realistically, we can hope someone like Ince, Britt, or Schott who have already gotten their feet wet can make a jump to a solid starter (like many of the above players did from their RS Fr to their RS So years).
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Don’t forget that Kallenberg (so?) received some valuable experience this year. I think he’ll be a jr. next year or is he redshirt freshman this year?
 
Husky28 said:
Don’t forget that Kallenberg (so?) received some valuable experience this year. I think he’ll be a jr. next year or is he redshirt freshman this year?
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Correct, RS jr next year. I just read that he took every snap at OG in the bowl game.

He was a 4* recruit, as were Miller, Endres, Britt, and Elsbury (from at least one recruiting service).
 
oldhawk12 said:
You do realize iowa was favored in this game....correct? Helton has been under fire at USC all year and they haven’t been relevant in years. Quit acting like this was a win over a real USC team because it wasn’t. A great performance indeed but just like the South Carolina win, the BC win and S Carolina, not wins over top shelf teams. And thinking recruiting ground is going to open all of a sudden or that ferentz is even interested in that then you simply haven’t been paying attention
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I pegged you for doing exactly this, but thought it would be in a different thread. SOme lines had USC at -1.5. But the main point being, I absolutely KNEW you would talk down the USC factor. In spite of the fact (of course) that you were previously saying Iowa had no chance, USC would be far superior, etc. etc.

You're so full of absolute shit, and your act is tired as hell. In short, you're a fucking troll.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
I pegged you for doing exactly this, but thought it would be in a different thread. SOme lines had USC at -1.5. But the main point being, I absolutely KNEW you would talk down the USC factor. In spite of the fact (of course) that you were previously saying Iowa had no chance, USC would be far superior, etc. etc.

You're so full of absolute shit, and your act is tired as hell. In short, you're a fucking troll.
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He's not a troll. He is that fucking stupid.

Just keep reminding him of that and he'll eventually stop posting or clean up his act.
 
cincyhawk said:
Where were the linemen we redshirted when Iowa was giving up sacks up the middle like Nathan's hot dogs at a baseball game and couldn't punch in touchdowns inside the 20 all year long? If one of these were the savior to be, we'd surely have seen him during that time. Schott was good when he was in, but we need two guards, not one.

Stanley is one of only two QBs to win three bowl games, and is second on the all time list for yards and TDs, and won 27 games. Statistically, he is responsible for more points than any QB in Ferentz history. It's hard to argue with that resume. There have been many better single-season QBs, but for a career, only one better. As for being better than Beathard; well, he had more wins, more TDs, and more yards, and won the starting job straight out of the gate by earning the coaches' trust. My opinion is that he's better, despite both CJ, Stanzi, and Brad Banks taking single season teams farther in the rankings and win column.

When I speak of Stone I am thinking of him as a strong safety - he's the best we've had since Bob Sanders, and that's twenty years ago. Hooker was good at the ca$h, but Stone's just ridiculous. King was the best CB Iowa's ever produced, no argument there. I did say possibly. I think we're going to be ok at LB and CB. SS/CA$H guys have been fewer between in the Ferentz era.

Anyway, yes, I'm pessimistic, but I haven't seen enough from the QB and interior line to say that next year will be better than this year. I think we're quibbling over 2 games, as I think 9 - 3 is the ceiling next year and 7 - 5 is the floor. I'm voting floor based on what we're projected to lose.
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OL are rarely in-season plug-n-play

Stanley has the numbers he has because he was a 3-year starter.

Stone is not generational just because you think he’s the best since Saunders. Parker does a good job with Iowa FS/SS and replacing them. I think Sash is better than Stone.

I’m not optimistic that next season will be better than 10 wins. It’s hard to top 10 wins.

QB will be fine.
OG can’t be worse.
Iowa is changing blocking schemes.
The schedule is brutal next season.
 
haydensly said:
There is a lot of talk in this thread about Iowa being favored. The reality of it is that yesterday the line moved pretty dramatically and USC was a 1 point favorite at kickoff. Which means that a lot of late money came in on them, probably by some heavy betters. So while we were the favorite for almost all of the time leading up to the game, at kickoff we were underdogs.
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This. And...spreads are all about balancing the betting money evenly. Whether IOWA or USC was favored, it was only a point or two. We kicked their ass by 25.
 
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