Soooo....Anti-Ferentz crowd

[Northside Hawk]

I am far from happy with kirk's idea of how to win conference games and he and his staff own many of those close losses. 6-3 in conference play and 10-3 is hardly mediocre go ask Scott Frost. Yes we probably should've been playing in the Big Ten Championship game this year perhaps with fewer OL injuries and Welch being gone for 3 or 4 games and better coaching we would've. Wisconsin if you think wins by 2 points is WAY better that's your opinion....you'd be wrong but like assholes everyone has an opinion.

You can make the argument that the 1984 team missed an opportunity similar to this years team.

That 1984 team got really banged up, and was down to it's fourth string running back by the time it played, and was almost upset by, Hawaii. It finished the regular season 7-4-1 after having the inside track to the Rose Bowl for half the season. By the bowl game (Freedom vs Texas) all hands were back on deck except for Ronnie Harmon (broken leg). The thorough dismantling of Texas showed a team who was a legit top ten or top five team when firing on all cylinders

 

[ssckelley]

Don't know what your insuinating with this one. Many coaches have bowl records a lot worse that .500. Check out Bo Schembechler or Bear Bryant's bowl records some time.

Until they implement a bull blown sixteen or even thirty two team college football postseason tournament, and they will someday, it's impossible to truly grade postseason performance. The college bowl season is still unique in sports. Take three or four weeks off, then play one last game.

That's going to change. If the smaller divisions can navigate around final exams, the big schools can do it. And the playoff will quickly create memories and drama that will quickly supercede the tradition of even the major bowl games as we have known them.

No no no no NO NO NO!!! I would hate for this to happen. I love the bowl system I just think they need to get rid of some of them (although I'm sure someone is watching the Frisco Bowl and cares about it). I think the 4 team playoff system is perfect and so far I think it has worked. I for one don't need to see 8-4 teams get blown out by the likes of Ohio State or Clemson. I want to see Ohio State face Clemson.

But at the end of the day I think you are right. I think they will eventually expand the playoffs and it will keep getting expanded. I will bitch about it.

 

[BVHawk95]

You do realize iowa was favored in this game....correct? Helton has been under fire at USC all year and they haven’t been relevant in years. Quit acting like this was a win over a real USC team because it wasn’t. A great performance indeed but just like the South Carolina win, the BC win and S Carolina, not wins over top shelf teams. And thinking recruiting ground is going to open all of a sudden or that ferentz is even interested in that then you simply haven’t been paying attention

And the damage control begins...

 

[Xerxes]

You do realize iowa was favored in this game....correct? Helton has been under fire at USC all year and they haven’t been relevant in years. Quit acting like this was a win over a real USC team because it wasn’t. A great performance indeed but just like the South Carolina win, the BC win and S Carolina, not wins over top shelf teams. And thinking recruiting ground is going to open all of a sudden or that ferentz is even interested in that then you simply haven’t been paying attention

Iowa opened as a favorite but by game time had moved to the underdog. +1.5 at kickoff

 

[haydensly]

There is a lot of talk in this thread about Iowa being favored. The reality of it is that yesterday the line moved pretty dramatically and USC was a 1 point favorite at kickoff. Which means that a lot of late money came in on them, probably by some heavy betters. So while we were the favorite for almost all of the time leading up to the game, at kickoff we were underdogs.

 

[ssckelley]

Iowa opened as a favorite but by game time had moved to the underdog. +1.5 at kickoff

I was just going to mention this, well done. The money was pouring in on USC before kickoff.

But regardless using the Vegas line as a means of judging teams is terrible.

 

[CP87]

I'm on record as saying Kirk is fine as long as Iowa finishes in the top 25 every year and wins 9 games a year while we play the cupcake OOC schedule.

I'm not ok with everything he does. The nepotism put a bad taste in my mouth. The tendency to turtle with a lead in the 4th quarter. The short side stretch.

Next year, new QB and probably losing several generational talents in Stone, Stanley, Jackson, Wirfs, and Epenesa. Guard play still not up to snuff, and two new tackles. Tough schedule, too. I think 7 - 5 isn't out of the question.

Epenesa is definitely a generational talent (i.e., one that comes along only once per generation).

I don't know how you can say Stone is a generational talent when we had a comparable player last year (Hooker) and the year before (Jackson) and the year before that (King). And when each of those players left, claims were made that they were irreplacable. And yet, a new all-B1G defensive back always steps into the void.

Wirfs is pretty damn impressive, but probably roughly comparable to Scherff (higher ceiling, though), who graduated within the last 5 years.

Jackson will be a great pro. He has also said emphatically that he is returning next year. He stated that he played this season at about 70% health, and he wants to show the pros what he can really do.

Stanely has been a great Hawk, but again, not a generational talent. He is not definitively better than the guy he replaced (Beathard), or the guy that opened the decade (Stanzi).

I saw you state in another thread that no help is on the way for the interior OL. Yet...

• we started a RS soph (Schott) when he was healthy
• hopefully Banwart will be able to return from ACL (he would be a 3-year starter next year, though has been snake-bit by health)
• a true frehsman (Britt) and a RS freshman (Ince) saw reps during the year
• Iowa redshirted 3 guys who came in as 300lb true freshman (4*'s Miller and Endres, as well as 3* Fenske).

Do you really think it is inconceivable that several players from that group develop into quality guards?

Your takes seem excessively pessimistic when considering objective evidence (gradually improving recruiting, returning 97% of yards from scrimmage and 94% of TDs from scrimmage, a strong recent history of developing NFL-caliber players).

 

[DDThompson]

You do realize iowa was favored in this game....correct? Helton has been under fire at USC all year and they haven’t been relevant in years. Quit acting like this was a win over a real USC team because it wasn’t. A great performance indeed but just like the South Carolina win, the BC win and S Carolina, not wins over top shelf teams. And thinking recruiting ground is going to open all of a sudden or that ferentz is even interested in that then you simply haven’t been paying attention

You’re such an idiotic putz.

Iowa was favored by 2.5 pts not 25 points.
What was the score of the game?

Explain how a school with 48 4* and 5* players was just ass whipped by Iowa.

Get your response after the ISU bowl game.

 

[DDThompson]

And per usual you don't have a point. Iowa is 9-8 in bowl games, and have played 13 top 25 teams of those 17 bowl games. Iowa plays very tough competition in bowl games, and has a winning record doing so.

WINS:

LSU #12
Florida #17
USC #22
South Carolina
Missouri #14
Georgia Tech #9
Texas Tech
Boston College
Mississippi St. #18


LOSSES:

USC #5
Texas #18
Florida #16
Oklahoma #19
LSU #14
Tennessee
Stanford #5
Florida #20

It’s really stupid that you have to spell this out to Hawk “fans”

 

[DDThompson]

Maybe. But Petras didn't impress in garbage time this year. Hope he got plenty of reps with the ones in bowl prep.

 

[DDThompson]

Iowa opened as a favorite but by game time had moved to the underdog. +1.5 at kickoff

Californians late to sporting events and betting windows

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

As for Brian. That was a well called game. that ISM pass almost broke the game open early on. Totally unexpected. The game was a great combination of Kirk's caution and Brian's opening the playbook.

 

[homes]

Maybe. But Petras didn't impress in garbage time this year. Hope he got plenty of reps with the ones in bowl prep.

Hard to judge when garbage time consists of short passes off rollouts and bootlegs. Not a fair measure of what he or anyone else can do, I believe.

 

[MoseSchrute]

I know Iowa was favored but USC still supposedly had the better players, just not the best system or team. Hey, anytime you beat a SEC team it is great since that league is the ESPN-best. Our supposed starting QB next year is from Cali, maybe we should go after some west coast and islander kids like Samoa. Kirk has four SEC team notches on his belt but I believe Missou was still Big 12 when they beat them.

Copied from another board:

Kicked the snot out of 4 and 5 star players at USC.

4 and 5 star players recruited per Rivals

2019 - 4 star - Iowa 1, USC 4

2018 - 5 star - Iowa 0, USC 5
2018 - 4 star - Iowa 4, USC 13

2017 - 5 star - Iowa 1, USC 0
2017 - 4 star - Iowa 1, USC 17

2016 - 5 star - Iowa 0, USC 2
2016 - 4 star - Iowa 0, USC 11

47 USC players to 7 for Iowa

Coaching and development definitely does matter. I'd still like us to get more of those 4* star guys, though. The way they are developed here indicates that we should.

 

[BigD]

As for Brian. That was a well called game. that ISM pass almost broke the game open early on. Totally unexpected. The game was a great combination of Kirk's caution and Brian's opening the playbook.

Would love to see him open the playbook all season long.

You look at this game and the Ohio State and you have to wonder why we can’t do this on a more consistent basis. It would dramatically improve the program and finally give Wisconsin fits.

 

[Stanzi]

Would love to see him open the playbook all season long.

You look at this game and the Ohio State and you have to wonder why we can’t do this on a more consistent basis. It would dramatically improve the program and finally give Wisconsin fits.

I think that’s a lot of people’s biggest frustration with KF. The team shows they are capable of doing what they did last night but the coaches don’t even try doing that most of the time.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

YES! 9-9! Sounds like KFs career in a nutshell. Gotta love the ass kissers!

Jeez, bumping this made me look to see why I started this thread in the first place.

Ferentz is now 9-9 in bowl games. Suck it haterzzzz!!!!

"Ferentz is now 9-8 in bowl games."

"ass kissers!" = People who think the glass is half full.

"haterzzzz!!!!" = People who think the glass is half empty.

 

[DDThompson]

If Iowa does jet sweeps, reverses, misdirections, reverse WR passes all the time then they wouldn’t be successful all the time like this game.

They were successful THIS game BECAUSE Iowa doesn’t do it all the time. They went against tendency.

They were successful against OSU because there was a concerted effort to get Wadley extra touches instead of doing the norm of spreading the ball around — again, Iowa went against tendencies.

If there is no tendency then explosive offensive and rout games like this wouldn’t happen.

(That’s not an argument against attacking downfield like I think Iowa should do but reverses, sweeps, misdirections are not vertical attacks)

USC’s game was to attack Iowa’s zone blocking and use blitzes up the middle because every Iowa loss that is what happened. And every win Iowa struggled that happened.

USC thought Ferentz tendency for bowl prep was to work on execution—back to the basics because that’s what KF always does and always talks about for bowl prep. And BF did some baiting himself when he said Iowa wants to run the ball.

Iowa’s tendency worked for them by zagging on plays that countered USC’s aggressive zigging.

Iowa’s coaching staff is good and was a lot better than USC’s

 

[ssckelley]

Copied from another board:

Kicked the snot out of 4 and 5 star players at USC.

4 and 5 star players recruited per Rivals

2019 - 4 star - Iowa 1, USC 4

2018 - 5 star - Iowa 0, USC 5
2018 - 4 star - Iowa 4, USC 13

2017 - 5 star - Iowa 1, USC 0
2017 - 4 star - Iowa 1, USC 17

2016 - 5 star - Iowa 0, USC 2
2016 - 4 star - Iowa 0, USC 11

47 USC players to 7 for Iowa

Coaching and development definitely does matter. I'd still like us to get more of those 4* star guys, though. The way they are developed here indicates that we should.

Did I see a graphic yesterday that said USC ranked dead last in the Pac12 in recruiting this year?

 

[Xerxes]

Did I see a graphic yesterday that said USC ranked dead last in the Pac12 in recruiting this year?

They did according to 24/7 rankings.

To be fair they only have 11 committed players. The next lowest in the conference was 15 with about half the conference somewhere in the 20s